997 Brake Master revisited
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I never got that fault on my stock ABS and never used the proportioning valve. I assumed I never got the fault because I removed the PSM. I also have different calipers and master cyl (997 GT master and 997.2 GT PCCB calipers and RS brake booster) so that detail may make some difference also. If your PSM is removed and you're still getting the fault.. thats odd. It is completely out of the car not just unplugged? Mine is completely gone.
I think all 997 master cylinders are the same, Carerra Turbo and GT. They all cross to the same TRW part.
Is the valve on the line going to the rear? I'm just trying to think through it by typing out from here. If the valve is restricting the master from pushing the full fluid volume (And thus reducing pressure) through the line to the rear, that pressure from the pedal being pressed isn't reduced so has to push the fluid somewhere, which would be to the front- may explain why you are locking up so easily. Takes less pedal pressure to get higher front brake pressures since the rear is restricted. I always wondered if using the proportioning valve was sort of undoing what the 997 setup is designed to do by shifting a lot of brake bias back to the front and your results with ABS off seems like that may be accurate if my assumptions are correct.
I always wondered if using the proportioning valve was sort of undoing what the 997 setup is designed to do by shifting a lot of brake bias back to the front and your results with ABS off seems like that may be accurate if my assumptions are correct.
Is this why the rear pads get that odd taper with the 6/4 pot setup?
Is this why the rear pads get that odd taper with the 6/4 pot setup?
Edited to add, I don't totally understand why the PSM pump is in the front brake circuit but it is. I would have thought it needed to be in the rear brake circuit. The way I piped the prop valve is the same way that it has been done by other people in the threads I found.
I don't know which wheels locked up although I know there are flat spots! When I remove the wheels to clean and inspect I will figure out which tires (tyres?) are flat spotted.
I also looked back through my notes and this car was occasionally throwing the code for the pressure sensor even before I made any changes to the brakes. I unplugged and replugged the sensor a few times and the codes stopped. I assumed that I had scraped off a little corrosion from the contacts. Perhaps the sensor is now failing for real. Too bad it's not available separately, I have not been able to find the sensor as a separate part. The sensor Bosch part# is 0 265 005 303.
Last edited by theprf; 09-11-2024 at 02:22 PM.
#17
A couple years back I did a PCCB refresh and the rear pads, 75k kms, were tapered from top (thickest) to bottom (thin) and the same on both sides. This was obviously due to unequal pressure being applied in some fashion, but I could never really figure it out.
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The PSM pump is unplugged, not removed. I assume that it does nothing when unplugged, which may not be correct.
I think all 997 master cylinders are the same, Carerra Turbo and GT. They all cross to the same TRW part.
The proportioning valve is on the line to the PSM pump, which is connected to the FRONT ABS input ("V" = Vorne = Front). The REAR ABS input ("H" = Hints = Rear) is direct to the master. So the prop valve is reducing front pressure.
Edited to add, I don't totally understand why the PSM pump is in the front brake circuit but it is. I would have thought it needed to be in the rear brake circuit. The way I piped the prop valve is the same way that it has been done by other people in the threads I found.
I don't know which wheels locked up although I know there are flat spots! When I remove the wheels to clean and inspect I will figure out which tires (tyres?) are flat spotted.
I also looked back through my notes and this car was occasionally throwing the code for the pressure sensor even before I made any changes to the brakes. I unplugged and replugged the sensor a few times and the codes stopped. I assumed that I had scraped off a little corrosion from the contacts. Perhaps the sensor is now failing for real. Too bad it's not available separately, I have not been able to find the sensor as a separate part. The sensor Bosch part# is 0 265 005 303.
I think all 997 master cylinders are the same, Carerra Turbo and GT. They all cross to the same TRW part.
The proportioning valve is on the line to the PSM pump, which is connected to the FRONT ABS input ("V" = Vorne = Front). The REAR ABS input ("H" = Hints = Rear) is direct to the master. So the prop valve is reducing front pressure.
Edited to add, I don't totally understand why the PSM pump is in the front brake circuit but it is. I would have thought it needed to be in the rear brake circuit. The way I piped the prop valve is the same way that it has been done by other people in the threads I found.
I don't know which wheels locked up although I know there are flat spots! When I remove the wheels to clean and inspect I will figure out which tires (tyres?) are flat spotted.
I also looked back through my notes and this car was occasionally throwing the code for the pressure sensor even before I made any changes to the brakes. I unplugged and replugged the sensor a few times and the codes stopped. I assumed that I had scraped off a little corrosion from the contacts. Perhaps the sensor is now failing for real. Too bad it's not available separately, I have not been able to find the sensor as a separate part. The sensor Bosch part# is 0 265 005 303.
#19
That is why the pistons are different sizes, which is supposed to reduce the tendency for the pads to wear tapered.
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The 997 TT rear calipers make the rear wheels do more braking. The 6TT rear calipers leave a lot of rear brake capability on the table. I doubt it matters even in agressive street driving though it helps on track.
A buddy runs 996 Carerra front calipers on the back of his 6GT3 to get even more rear brake capability.
A buddy runs 996 Carerra front calipers on the back of his 6GT3 to get even more rear brake capability.
#26
Does the same apply to PCCBs? Sounds like the 997 rears have larger pistons.
To me, if I am getting a taper on the rear pads, I'm not applying enough pressure to get even distribution over the surface area of the pad, or there wasn't enough time spent on optimizing the rear pistons, and more force is being applied to the lower pistons, wearing the pads faster in that area.
To me, if I am getting a taper on the rear pads, I'm not applying enough pressure to get even distribution over the surface area of the pad, or there wasn't enough time spent on optimizing the rear pistons, and more force is being applied to the lower pistons, wearing the pads faster in that area.
#29
After taking the wheels off for my usual post track day cleaning and inspection I found only the right front locked up. Makes sense as I was turning into a fast right hand corner (West Bend if you know Lime Rock) so the RF was unloaded.
From the amount of tire smoke I had expected more tires locked up.
From the amount of tire smoke I had expected more tires locked up.
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