Cams Losing Time
#46
Sorry if this was discussed, is your can tuned? Some tuners
will increase the rev limiter on a stock motor by 100-200 RPM's ... I know it's possible to throw a type 2 on my car, even if I barely touch the rev limiter. Too bad the 996 platform does not provide more data points like the 997 and above.
Sorry about your situation, hope it gets sorted out, at least it sounds like the shop did not cause this issue.
Good luck,
Sorry about your situation, hope it gets sorted out, at least it sounds like the shop did not cause this issue.
Good luck,
So have visited the shop and have confirmed the odometer shows exactly the same miles that I dropped it off on.
Only conclusion are the type2 revs are mine. Don’t remember doing these but evidence points to this.
Back to the issue and trying to fix it. Have been given advice from a friend after sharing the issue that the codes may go back to bad cabling to sensor.
“P1340 is faults cam position sensor”
“P0011 is cam timing not as intended“
The timing has been assumed to be wrong second time round not actually confirmed, due to bad running and same codes. On the initial inspection the shop did flip the sensors to the other bank but the engine harness connector would stay the same.
Anyone know if you can check the camshaft timing with the engine still in? Im told the timing cannot be checked with the engine still in the car by the shop, just watched a YouTube video with an M96 in a Boxster being checked whilst in the car. Would have thought more room in the 996 to do that.
Only conclusion are the type2 revs are mine. Don’t remember doing these but evidence points to this.
Back to the issue and trying to fix it. Have been given advice from a friend after sharing the issue that the codes may go back to bad cabling to sensor.
“P1340 is faults cam position sensor”
“P0011 is cam timing not as intended“
The timing has been assumed to be wrong second time round not actually confirmed, due to bad running and same codes. On the initial inspection the shop did flip the sensors to the other bank but the engine harness connector would stay the same.
Anyone know if you can check the camshaft timing with the engine still in? Im told the timing cannot be checked with the engine still in the car by the shop, just watched a YouTube video with an M96 in a Boxster being checked whilst in the car. Would have thought more room in the 996 to do that.
Last edited by JBear; 07-13-2022 at 02:26 PM.
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Rapid-911 (07-13-2022)
#47
So the car has some kind of tune on it so could well be right on that.
will increase the rev limiter on a stock motor by 100-200 RPM's ... I know it's possible to throw a type 2 on my car, even if I barely touch the rev limiter. Too bad the 996 platform does not provide more data points like the 997 and above.
Sorry about your situation, hope it gets sorted out, at least it sounds like the shop did not cause this issue.
Good luck,
Sorry about your situation, hope it gets sorted out, at least it sounds like the shop did not cause this issue.
Good luck,
#48
Some update and looking for any continued pointers. I asked the shop if I could do some logging on Durametric as the assumption was that the same fault is back but no real validation that I can tell.
So did some logging, ran Durametric which crashed a few times but was a very hot day my laptop getting hot too! - also videoed the car during the testing.
Summary:
1) Arrived no engine faults logged.
2) Ran the car, car started fine after some cranking. Appeared to run worse as getting up to temperature on idle. Revving up and down to 2,600rpm by itself. Can see the ECU actuating the throttle along with this.
3) I didn't notice at the time but the Cam Deviation and Actual values for both banks always read Zero.
4) Car stalled by itself after the revs fluctuated too much.
5) Noticed that car was smoking, noted large oil leak from turbo causing a lot of smoke on right hand side (Showed shop, said that shouldn't cause issues but will need sorting)
6) New fault codes arrived:
P0344 - code 112 - Phase sensor 1 (camshaft Hall-effect sensor1)
P0349 - code 113 - Phase sensor 2 (camshaft Hall-effect sensor2)
7) Ran the car a few more time to get up to temperature, car continue to run with a wavy rpm that would pendulum up and down till stalling point.
8) Ran the car at over 3,000 RPM. Car ran smoothly check for misfire codes - none present
9) Let accelerator off and let idle and stalls after a while going up and down the rev range.
10) No new codes presented.
My take aways:
- The previous error are gone, however it cant read the came timing so maybe still present.
- Asked the shop to check wiring to Camshaft sensor if plugged in and test the wiring.
- How can both stop reading, its strange to me. However if the engine doesn't know all the values expect it would run badly.
Here is the video if anyone would like to see its a log so not a YouTuber video so you need to read what I wrote . It does show Durametric outputs too.
So did some logging, ran Durametric which crashed a few times but was a very hot day my laptop getting hot too! - also videoed the car during the testing.
Summary:
1) Arrived no engine faults logged.
2) Ran the car, car started fine after some cranking. Appeared to run worse as getting up to temperature on idle. Revving up and down to 2,600rpm by itself. Can see the ECU actuating the throttle along with this.
3) I didn't notice at the time but the Cam Deviation and Actual values for both banks always read Zero.
4) Car stalled by itself after the revs fluctuated too much.
5) Noticed that car was smoking, noted large oil leak from turbo causing a lot of smoke on right hand side (Showed shop, said that shouldn't cause issues but will need sorting)
6) New fault codes arrived:
P0344 - code 112 - Phase sensor 1 (camshaft Hall-effect sensor1)
P0349 - code 113 - Phase sensor 2 (camshaft Hall-effect sensor2)
7) Ran the car a few more time to get up to temperature, car continue to run with a wavy rpm that would pendulum up and down till stalling point.
8) Ran the car at over 3,000 RPM. Car ran smoothly check for misfire codes - none present
9) Let accelerator off and let idle and stalls after a while going up and down the rev range.
10) No new codes presented.
My take aways:
- The previous error are gone, however it cant read the came timing so maybe still present.
- Asked the shop to check wiring to Camshaft sensor if plugged in and test the wiring.
- How can both stop reading, its strange to me. However if the engine doesn't know all the values expect it would run badly.
Here is the video if anyone would like to see its a log so not a YouTuber video so you need to read what I wrote . It does show Durametric outputs too.
Last edited by Rapid-911; 07-31-2022 at 03:05 PM. Reason: Add second Video
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#50
Interesting. I mean, it could be coincidence of two failures simultaneously, but the car was running fine when your brought it in. Still seems the shop should be chasing this down and fixing this on their dime to me.
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#51
I think your cam hall sensors aren't reading at all. When I set my cams incorrectly they read -15 degrees as I think that is the max out of spec they will read or something. It should read at least something there.
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