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Old 06-12-2020 | 08:27 PM
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Here is a quick idle clip of the straight pipes.... It's relatively quiet unless you are standing straight behind the car where the sound is amplified as both exhaust pipes angle slightly toward the center.

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Old 06-12-2020 | 09:00 PM
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In stainless. I have cracking concerns with titanium for anyone not running solid motor mounts like John.
I was under the impression that the thermal properties of ti were very good for 'exhaust only components' and not so good for headers in that it did not expand as much as stainless when it got hot, thereby making it less prone to cracking.

However, I am happy to be corrected.

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Originally Posted by powdrhound
Here is a quick idle clip of the straight pipes.... It's relatively quiet unless you are standing straight behind the car where the sound is amplified as both exhaust pipes angle slightly toward the center.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ1tI8UI47Q
I love the fact that where you guys are, that car is street 'legal'...
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Any car can be street legal if you just act like it's street legal.
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Originally Posted by 2fcknfst
I was under the impression that the thermal properties of ti were very good for 'exhaust only components' and not so good for headers in that it did not expand as much as stainless when it got hot, thereby making it less prone to cracking.

However, I am happy to be corrected.
Has not been my experience with titanium.
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Any car can be street legal if you just act like it's street legal.
Yeah, the slicks would create problems up here....
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Originally Posted by nbressette
Has not been my experience with titanium.
You had one of these?
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Originally Posted by powdrhound
The only reason we made it out of Ti is because I did not see an issue with cracking on short straight pipes and I wanted the tail pipes to be light so as not to necessitate bracing. It could easily be made out of standard SS304 x 0.065 which is used for pretty much all automotive exhaust systems but needlessly heavy. The way to go on this is to manufacture it out of Aerospace SS321 x 0.035 wall tubing. It is used in turbocharged GA aircraft exhaust systems that see 1300F EGT if not more. Pound for pound 321 x 0.035 is actually lighter than Inconel. Our exhausts do not see the temperatures what would make Inconel a necessity.

What would be fantastic is to have a full 3.5" tip to tail flow thought exhaust and also have the option to V-band in a pair of straight pipes of the same modular recipe I'm running. This would make it a simple 5 minute process to go from a full exhaust to straight pipes for the track. Something tells me John at Speedtech may have something up his sleeve in the near future...
Any chance you could share how you calculated the length of the 1/4 wave tubes? Looking at the physics, I'm curious what how you calculated the speed of sound, given it changes dramatically with temperature. Also, do you have any idea how notchy the anti drone properties are? Or does it have a decent bandwidth across an rpm range?
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I love the fact that where you guys are, that car is street 'legal'...
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Yeah, the slicks would create problems up here....
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I register it every year as the tag is only about $50 but I don't drive it on the street, maybe in a pinch once or twice per year. Car is transported via trailer normally. I have a set of E88s with NT01s on it in case I need to drive it on the street but I have never actually mounted then on the car. I'm sorta committed to slicks...Oh well...

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I’m catching up here since I’ve been spending time at the track ever since quarantine lifted. Nothing like coming back to the forum to a fresh Powdrhound post.

One day I have to see this car in person.

Personally, my weekend included installing my new Rennline battery mount with Odyssey 680. Meanwhile John was calculating the speed of sound and engineering a new exhaust system. 😉

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Is that picture considered wheel **** with all those E88’s.
To me the ultimate wheel for the 996 gen cars.
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Little track heat pumped thought the Ti pipes added a little color today...

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Originally Posted by benschwe
Any chance you could share how you calculated the length of the 1/4 wave tubes? Looking at the physics, I'm curious what how you calculated the speed of sound, given it changes dramatically with temperature. Also, do you have any idea how notchy the anti drone properties are? Or does it have a decent bandwidth across an rpm range?
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15 centigrade is the standard atmosphere temperature used to calculate the speed of sound (see below) but you can factor in the higher temperature of the exhaust gasses into your calculation. Humidity will effect this also but it's not really a consideration in this case. The speed of a sound wave in air depends upon the properties of the air, mostly the temperature, and to a lesser degree, the humidity. The temperature will affect the strength of the particle interactions (an elastic property). At normal atmospheric pressure, the temperature dependence of the speed of a sound wave through dry air is approximated by the following equation:
v = 331 m/s + (0.6 m/s/C)•T
where T is the temperature of the air in degrees Celsius. Using this equation to determine the speed of a sound wave in air at a temperature of 15 degrees Celsius yields the following solution.
v = 331 m/s + (0.6 m/s/C)•Tv = 331 m/s + (0.6 m/s/C)•(15 C)

v = 331 m/s + 9 m/s

v = 340 m/s
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Originally Posted by 2fcknfst
You had one of these?
Not this particular style, but a titanium unit.


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