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Anyone know of a Porsche race shop near Virginia International Raceway (VIR) that would be competent in removing an engine from a car and crating it up for shipping? I'm thinking maybe something near Raleigh or Greensboro? Thx..
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If looking for a Porsche shop in Raleigh check our European Performance, been there a few times and they always have some very nice cars they are working on.

https://www.europeanperformance.net/Service/#3
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Already outgrown your 4.0l?
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Already outgrown your 4.0l?
Looking at another cool project.....still a 4.0...
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Why do I get the impression this one is NA? Someone stuff a rs into a wall at vir and is now parting it out?
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Why do I get the impression this one is NA? Someone stuff a rs into a wall at vir and is now parting it out?
Possibly

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Ask Randy151; he is in that neck of the woods and spends his time tracking his 991GT2RS.
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All taken care of. Thanks guys..
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What's the new project?
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Something that involves a stand alone ecu (8700RPM), crazy valve gear (again 8700rpm), a modified intake to accommodate the fuel/air requirements... And then there was Schrick; unclear if they will be superseded for a custom grind.

Pretty sure it'll be good for a gazillion thunder ponies.
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Originally Posted by 2fcknfst
Something that involves a stand alone ecu (8700RPM), crazy valve gear (again 8700rpm), a modified intake to accommodate the fuel/air requirements... And then there was Schrick; unclear if they will be superseded for a custom grind.

Pretty sure it'll be good for a gazillion thunder ponies.
You've hit pretty close to the bullseye. We've started to build the mapping for the Motec ECU which we will use on my existing engine. This would be a separate built 4.0 which we would simply swap for my existing 4.0..... Basically a turbo 4.0 Mezger with a 8.7K redline, a much more efficient intake along with infinitely variable intake and exhaust cams. Not 100% sure if we're gonna do it but it would be a neat project I think....
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Originally Posted by powdrhound
You've hit pretty close to the bullseye. We've started to build the mapping for the Motec ECU which we will use on my existing engine. This would be a separate built 4.0 which we would simply swap for my existing 4.0..... Basically a turbo 4.0 Mezger with a 8.7K redline, a much more efficient intake along with infinitely variable intake and exhaust cams. Not 100% sure if we're gonna do it but it would be a neat project I think....
That sounds like a pretty awesome project; the mapping of the MOTEC is also pretty cool as it may inspire others to get more behind stand alones, if someone has gone before them and may be interested in selling 'base' maps... Just a thought. I have always been a fan of stand alone solutions, just not a fan of programming them; I have spent some time doing this. Once, and never again.

If I understand some of your previous posts correctly, the OEM Bosch unit cannot support anything beyond 7500rpm - not to sure where my current fuel cutoff is, but... - at 8700rpm, that thing is going to howl, not that your current setup doesn't, but something 'magical' happens when you go beyond 8k...

Again, if you go ahead, and my understanding is correct - you should have an extra 4.0l kicking around in the not too distant future...
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That sounds like a pretty awesome project; the mapping of the MOTEC is also pretty cool as it may inspire others to get more behind stand alones, if someone has gone before them and may be interested in selling 'base' maps... Just a thought. I have always been a fan of stand alone solutions, just not a fan of programming them; I have spent some time doing this. Once, and never again.

If I understand some of your previous posts correctly, the OEM Bosch unit cannot support anything beyond 7500rpm - not to sure where my current fuel cutoff is, but... - at 8700rpm, that thing is going to howl, not that your current setup doesn't, but something 'magical' happens when you go beyond 8k...

Again, if you go ahead, and my understanding is correct - you should have an extra 4.0l kicking around in the not too distant future...
Exactly. It's the lure of the howl at 8.5K+ and honestly I think it would be closer to 9K with a power peak in the 8000-8400 range of around 900+whp at 1.3 bar based on our calculations. You would need a Motec ECU so you could run GT3 cams and control the variocam timing with them both on the intake and exhaust side. You could use Cup heads which do not have variocam but that would not lend itself well to having good performance in the lower rpm range. As such, the late gen GT3 heads are preferable. With that said, Motec really makes all this possible as the ECU is fully programmable and state of the art compared to the 20yr old OEM ECU. Chris Cervelli is the Motec guru that is doing the mapping on this. After discussing all that is possible with the M-series Motec ECU including all the built in safeties that can be incorporated, it's really the way to go in my opinion for the more advanced engine builds.

Yes, if we embark on this I would indeed have an extra 4.0 kicking around....probably next winter.
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Exactly. It's the lure of the howl at 8.5K+ and honestly I think it would be closer to 9K with a power peak in the 8000-8400 range of around 900+whp at 1.3 bar based on our calculations. You would need a Motec ECU so you could run GT3 cams and control the variocam timing with them both on the intake and exhaust side. You could use Cup heads which do not have variocam but that would not lend itself well to having good performance in the lower rpm range. As such, the late gen GT3 heads are preferable. With that said, Motec really makes all this possible as the ECU is fully programmable and state of the art compared to the 20yr old OEM ECU. Chris Cervelli is the Motec guru that is doing the mapping on this. After discussing all that is possible with the M-series Motec ECU including all the built in safeties that can be incorporated, it's really the way to go in my opinion for the more advanced engine builds.

Yes, if we embark on this I would indeed have an extra 4.0 kicking around....probably next winter.
I used a Hydra stand alone on a STi fifteen years ago and was sold on the 'ease' of operation, and the 'self learning nature' of the ecu to adapt wide band information into the maps that drove it; nominal and full load.

Yes, it was smart enough to get itself 'running', but that was it. If memory serves, I tuned 1728 individual 3d cells on both nominal and load maps (they interchanged based on throttle position) and it was rather finicky with tip in response, no matter what I did. I liked the resolution, it was spot on - when I did full throttle launches, I was able to compare the data accurately to what I had built in the maps.

Then, surprise, surprise, I blew up the engine. Interestingly, I broke a ring land and fed the engine and turbo a chunk of piston. The car sat in my garage for years as I was super pissed that even though it had been tuned with a relatively light tune (20psi), it had failed miserably.

I in fact when back to the factory ecu as Cobb had come out with its platform that basically took all the painstaking tuning agro out - the ots map enable me to get the car (and sexy new motor) running a fraction of the time the Hydra had.

Although easier, it most certainly does not have the resolution the Hydra did, and I suspect the MOTEC unit is even better. I am a fan of 50rpm fuel and ignition tuning coupled to high sampling rate wide band data - to me, once that is dialed in, it will run as smooth as butter.

The Mezger is an interesting mill, pretty rock solid in design, until as you have noted, you want to push it into the stratosphere, then the fifteen year old electronic monkey on your back become very prevalent.

I, for one, vote that you proceed with your project. I am particularly interested in seeing you run reliable over 8k rpm.

Actually, slap me; I'm interested in all of it.

If you ever want to try a 9500 rpm B18C5R, and are in Vancouver, let me know.



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