Do I really need Ohlins if Im not racing?
#16
Really? And alignment and corner balancing after you've installed them...hmmmm
#17
rears are simply 3 bolts inside the cabin under the computer carpet and 1 bolt on the lca. again pop the coil off the perch and remove them. ohlins are even easier to reinstall. assemble them loosley and slide them in place then adjust height to were you want it
i used firestone which has an in ground alignment rack cost was 90$. no corner balance needed for street cars.
#18
You are, of course, way more mechanically inclined and way more experienced than I and likely have all the tools you need...and can put your car on a rack. I don't know what your 1-10 scale means as I would guess it is a scale you created for yourself, but I understand your point. All I can say is when I watched the mechanic install and align/CB mine it was not easy...I also have a cab...YMMV
#19
You are, of course, way more mechanically inclined and way more experienced than I and likely have all the tools you need...and can put your car on a rack. I don't know what your 1-10 scale means as I would guess it is a scale you created for yourself, but I understand your point. All I can say is when I watched the mechanic install and align/CB mine it was not easy...I also have a cab...YMMV
#20
And he may enjoy working on his car(s). I personally don't get much (any?) satisfaction out of working on my cars anymore. I have to work up my motivation just to change the oil in my 996 Turbo and truck. I have a mechanic change the oil on my other cars. I stopped changing the plugs on my Turbo two sets ago and now just take it to my mechanic when they need changing. My interest in working on my cars falls way below my interest in doing my hobbies and other activities.
#21
be certain you ask if you need to purchase additional "bits" to make them work on your application.
A friend just re-worked a poorly installed set of ohlins on an 04GT3 and felt they were not truly plug-n-play.
he was also not impressed with the ride height adjustment method on the ohlins.
but
that's the first bad review i've heard of them.
just go into it with open eyes.
Craig
A friend just re-worked a poorly installed set of ohlins on an 04GT3 and felt they were not truly plug-n-play.
he was also not impressed with the ride height adjustment method on the ohlins.
but
that's the first bad review i've heard of them.
just go into it with open eyes.
Craig
#22
The Ohlins will install similar to the Bilsteins.
I did a summary write up installing PSS-10's:
https://rennlist.com/forums/996-turb...l#post14102107
It's not too difficult. If anyone lives in the SF Bay area, I have a 2 post lift and will be willing to help. After I posted, Amazon now sells Ohlins on their website. I guess I was a year too early. This is not rocket science. Bolts are lefty loosey and righty tighty. some creative use of pry bars and small impact devices and you can put it together quite easily.
I did a summary write up installing PSS-10's:
https://rennlist.com/forums/996-turb...l#post14102107
It's not too difficult. If anyone lives in the SF Bay area, I have a 2 post lift and will be willing to help. After I posted, Amazon now sells Ohlins on their website. I guess I was a year too early. This is not rocket science. Bolts are lefty loosey and righty tighty. some creative use of pry bars and small impact devices and you can put it together quite easily.
#23
be certain you ask if you need to purchase additional "bits" to make them work on your application.
A friend just re-worked a poorly installed set of ohlins on an 04GT3 and felt they were not truly plug-n-play.
he was also not impressed with the ride height adjustment method on the ohlins.
but
that's the first bad review i've heard of them.
just go into it with open eyes.
Craig
A friend just re-worked a poorly installed set of ohlins on an 04GT3 and felt they were not truly plug-n-play.
he was also not impressed with the ride height adjustment method on the ohlins.
but
that's the first bad review i've heard of them.
just go into it with open eyes.
Craig
- These were plug and play with zero additional parts required (aside from needing to add the Ohlins rear adjuster extension kit because my car has Bose)
- The rest of my suspension is 100% stock and we did GT2 alignment with ease
- My tech texted me during the install not only to tell me they're the nicest units he's seen so far, but that install was a breeze - everything lined up perfectly
- After install, there were zero seating issues, noises, or imperfections
- As far as ride height is concerned, you have 20mm of adjustability, which was plenty for my aesthetic goals (I wanted low but not slammed)
- I still have 10mm left to drop it but feel -10mm is perfect
-Joe
#24
I had the opposite experience; sounds to me like a botched install.
-Joe
- My tech texted me during the install not only to tell me they're the nicest units he's seen so far, but that install was a breeze - everything lined up perfectly
-Joe
#25
That is correct, however I'm not sure how it's relevant to Nelson's question or the evolution of this conversation.
In my mind, we're talking about (1) val prop and utility of Ohlins R&T versus alternatives and (2) Ohlins R&T application to our cars, specifically leaning on those with real-world experience and first-hand knowledge. I'm offering truthful data and my perspective as somebody who had a flawless experience with this system and find it my responsibility to communicate my experience, particularly where it differs with somebody else's to ensure the OP has a full scope of our collective thoughts.
I'm not sure what you're implying, if anything at all, but me vs. my tech seems irrelevant in terms of establishing the fact that the install and GT2 alignment went without issue on an otherwise stock suspension. Many-to-most people will not be installing these themselves, so using an experienced 911 tech should be an acceptable assumption for many Ohlins prospects.
-Joe
In my mind, we're talking about (1) val prop and utility of Ohlins R&T versus alternatives and (2) Ohlins R&T application to our cars, specifically leaning on those with real-world experience and first-hand knowledge. I'm offering truthful data and my perspective as somebody who had a flawless experience with this system and find it my responsibility to communicate my experience, particularly where it differs with somebody else's to ensure the OP has a full scope of our collective thoughts.
I'm not sure what you're implying, if anything at all, but me vs. my tech seems irrelevant in terms of establishing the fact that the install and GT2 alignment went without issue on an otherwise stock suspension. Many-to-most people will not be installing these themselves, so using an experienced 911 tech should be an acceptable assumption for many Ohlins prospects.
-Joe
#26
Joe, no disrespect intended regarding your opinions...admittedly I probably jacked the thread when there was a discussion about how easy coilovers are to replace. I do think there are a number of options available that are superior to stock coilovers. I don't know what val prop is? First hand experience is often good, but seldom is that person's opinion much value in comparisons because usually they don't try all of them before buying (and of course we are biased to think our decision was the best).
Oh and the reason we went down this path was the cost of the set-up. How much did yours cost installed?
Oh and the reason we went down this path was the cost of the set-up. How much did yours cost installed?
Last edited by wross996tt; 04-26-2018 at 02:13 PM.
#29
Joe, no disrespect intended regarding your opinions...admittedly I probably jacked the thread when there was a discussion about how easy coilovers are to replace. I do think there are a number of options available that are superior to stock coilovers. I don't know what val prop is? First hand experience is often good, but seldom is that person's opinion much value in comparisons because usually they don't try all of them before buying (and of course we are biased to think our decision was the best).
Oh and the reason we went down this path was the cost of the set-up. How much did yours cost installed?
Oh and the reason we went down this path was the cost of the set-up. How much did yours cost installed?
Val prop - Value proposition. Since Ohlins aren't a $10K option but are largely growing as peoples' choice as the biggest the best road-going option, I think the marginal incremental cost against lower-priced options is well worth it. My install and alignment was $1K. So add to that the price of the Ohlins (which varies based on retailer, but is basically $2.5-3K), you're not really that much more in the hole than most other coilovers.
Totally hear you, and agree, with regard to peoples' opinions. That said, there's really nothing in it for me to express my opinion one way or another. All I know is that I value the quality content on these forums, and have pretty significant experience with a lot of cars, so I like to contribute to the brain trust. And as objectively as possible. So basically, in my mind, having experienced a lot of cars, the Ohlins are so impressive in comparison to my stock 996TT suspension AND other sports cars/exotics, I like to verbalize my thoughts for those who are considering them.
But of course, caveat emptor.