993PET

I'm looking at an '04 with 28k miles, the car is mostly stock with a decent amount of documented service history and in nice condition. The car has been tracked and autocrossed.

The seller recently had a PPI completed and the abbreviated DME readout was hand written on the inspection sheet,

Aug 2016 at 28,400 miles

Range 1: 10,646
Range 2: 332

In the paper work that the seller forwarded me there is a copy of the DME Working Log from when his PPI was completed in 2012. It states:

Number of programming operations: 2
Number of ignitions, range 1: 9145 501.0 h
Number of ignitions, range 2: 332 45.4 h
Order type: 996810
Operating hours counter: 502.0
Total distance: 28710.00 km

The numbers seem correct between the two reports. Is the range 2 of concern? It was very early in the engines life at 45.4 hours.

Thanks,

JF

bonehead

Range 2's are of no real concern. Besides, it happened more than 450 operating hours ago. If something bad were to have happened, it would already have done so.

993PET

From what I've read range 2 is above 8800 rpm in a 996 GT3, how can this not be of a concern? I understand it was many hours ago but how many seconds above 8800 RPM does the value 332 represent in this case?

Thanks,

JF

993PET

Anyone want to assist me with this before I decide on the car? I've read many old threads on the subject already, I would just like to get some current informed opinions.

Thanks,

JF

pranqster

The number is very low and happened very early in the cars life. I would not be that concerned at this point. You could get a compression check and leakdown completed (if you have not already) to put your mind at ease. Even with no # 2 overrevs I would still get a compression and leakdown completed.

I would demand the actual readout of the overrevs not just a hand written version.

Regards,

Pranqster

spiller

The number is low and at that many ignitions the event lasted for less than 1 second, but given 996 GT3 only has the two ranges, we don't know how far above 8800 RPM it went. The most relevant factor here is time since the range 2 event. I know of a car that recently underwent a rebuild for damaged sustained from 500 range 2 ignitions but the event happened only 30 hours prior to the failure being realised.

KOAN

I agree that it was not many over revs, and the fact that it has gone so many hours without a problem is a testament to the fact that no damage was done. I would not be bothered by this if I were purchasing the car and if everything else checked out.
The fact that it is mostly stock means that you have some $$ ahead to make it w worthy track car, IMHO.

AudiOn19s

I thought in the 996 range 2 was anything over 8200. Could be 8300...could be 9300.

General rule of thumb back when I was buying was anything more than 100 hrs since the incident and no worries of damage.

As the others have stated here I wouldn't be concerned with the count.

993PET

Thanks for everyone's input.

The car can be had for very low $60k's, it has Euro Seats, Half Cage, Extra RS Wing, GMG Mufflers & an extra set of wheels. It seems to have been well maintained and presents well, high msrp.

For my use 75% track it needs; coolant fittings, clutch (unknown/stock), diff (unknown/stock), suspension upgrade currently stock. Engine and transmission mount upgrade currently stock.

I figure by the time it's all done over the winter I'll be at $75k.

I'm also considering a 997.1 GT3 track car, I'll decide between the 2 early next week.

JF