Range 2 Interpretation
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I'm looking at an '04 with 28k miles, the car is mostly stock with a decent amount of documented service history and in nice condition. The car has been tracked and autocrossed.
The seller recently had a PPI completed and the abbreviated DME readout was hand written on the inspection sheet,
Aug 2016 at 28,400 miles
Range 1: 10,646
Range 2: 332
In the paper work that the seller forwarded me there is a copy of the DME Working Log from when his PPI was completed in 2012. It states:
Number of programming operations: 2
Number of ignitions, range 1: 9145 501.0 h
Number of ignitions, range 2: 332 45.4 h
Order type: 996810
Operating hours counter: 502.0
Total distance: 28710.00 km
The numbers seem correct between the two reports. Is the range 2 of concern? It was very early in the engines life at 45.4 hours.
Thanks,
JF
The seller recently had a PPI completed and the abbreviated DME readout was hand written on the inspection sheet,
Aug 2016 at 28,400 miles
Range 1: 10,646
Range 2: 332
In the paper work that the seller forwarded me there is a copy of the DME Working Log from when his PPI was completed in 2012. It states:
Number of programming operations: 2
Number of ignitions, range 1: 9145 501.0 h
Number of ignitions, range 2: 332 45.4 h
Order type: 996810
Operating hours counter: 502.0
Total distance: 28710.00 km
The numbers seem correct between the two reports. Is the range 2 of concern? It was very early in the engines life at 45.4 hours.
Thanks,
JF
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Range 2's are of no real concern. Besides, it happened more than 450 operating hours ago. If something bad were to have happened, it would already have done so.
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Anyone want to assist me with this before I decide on the car? I've read many old threads on the subject already, I would just like to get some current informed opinions.
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JF
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The number is very low and happened very early in the cars life. I would not be that concerned at this point. You could get a compression check and leakdown completed (if you have not already) to put your mind at ease. Even with no # 2 overrevs I would still get a compression and leakdown completed.
I would demand the actual readout of the overrevs not just a hand written version.
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I would demand the actual readout of the overrevs not just a hand written version.
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Pranqster
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The number is low and at that many ignitions the event lasted for less than 1 second, but given 996 GT3 only has the two ranges, we don't know how far above 8800 RPM it went. The most relevant factor here is time since the range 2 event. I know of a car that recently underwent a rebuild for damaged sustained from 500 range 2 ignitions but the event happened only 30 hours prior to the failure being realised.
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I agree that it was not many over revs, and the fact that it has gone so many hours without a problem is a testament to the fact that no damage was done. I would not be bothered by this if I were purchasing the car and if everything else checked out.
The fact that it is mostly stock means that you have some $$ ahead to make it w worthy track car, IMHO.
The fact that it is mostly stock means that you have some $$ ahead to make it w worthy track car, IMHO.
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I thought in the 996 range 2 was anything over 8200. Could be 8300...could be 9300.
General rule of thumb back when I was buying was anything more than 100 hrs since the incident and no worries of damage.
As the others have stated here I wouldn't be concerned with the count.
General rule of thumb back when I was buying was anything more than 100 hrs since the incident and no worries of damage.
As the others have stated here I wouldn't be concerned with the count.
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Thanks for everyone's input.
The car can be had for very low $60k's, it has Euro Seats, Half Cage, Extra RS Wing, GMG Mufflers & an extra set of wheels. It seems to have been well maintained and presents well, high msrp.
For my use 75% track it needs; coolant fittings, clutch (unknown/stock), diff (unknown/stock), suspension upgrade currently stock. Engine and transmission mount upgrade currently stock.
I figure by the time it's all done over the winter I'll be at $75k.
I'm also considering a 997.1 GT3 track car, I'll decide between the 2 early next week.
JF
The car can be had for very low $60k's, it has Euro Seats, Half Cage, Extra RS Wing, GMG Mufflers & an extra set of wheels. It seems to have been well maintained and presents well, high msrp.
For my use 75% track it needs; coolant fittings, clutch (unknown/stock), diff (unknown/stock), suspension upgrade currently stock. Engine and transmission mount upgrade currently stock.
I figure by the time it's all done over the winter I'll be at $75k.
I'm also considering a 997.1 GT3 track car, I'll decide between the 2 early next week.
JF