996 GT3 street tires - what are you using?
#61
Thanks everyone. I had the AD08R's installed over the weekend. I drove the car home and am now going to mess with tire pressures. Currently bled down to 34/37 cold. They came out of the tire shop in the mid 40's F&R so the car was def fidgety. I did have a chance to lean in a little on a favorite freeway on ramp and was impressed with the initial bite and grip, even at the higher tire pressures. I look forward to enjoying them as they wear in and at the lower pressures. I'm so far happy with the choice. Thanks again for all the input here
I've got no experience with the car at track/autocross yet but I'm expecting big things
Last edited by mistermct; 12-21-2015 at 06:42 PM. Reason: more info
#63
I've been using a few psi below that for the street (32/33 cold) per Powerhound's recommendation and it's been working great even in cold temps (40s F / 5-10C). Here's the thread: https://rennlist.com/forums/996-gt2-...l#post12541030
I've got no experience with the car at track/autocross yet but I'm expecting big things
I've got no experience with the car at track/autocross yet but I'm expecting big things
#64
I was just going to ask that question...this is what I run on the track (hot) but also now doing the same pressures on the street (cold). I think Porsche recommends 32/36 for the street on our cars? Have tried this and even at "just legal" street speeds the rear end wants to let go when accelerating out of a corner.
#65
Regardless of tire (track NT-01, street Sumis) I'm using much smaller r-f psi diffs (1-2psi tops), if any at all. Car drives much better (more neutral) that way. I don't think I've ever even experienced a 6gt3 with a 7psi r-f diff. It was probably suggested as a way to minimize potential liability by introducing plenty under-steer. Most shops who know GT3s recommend that you keep the f/r pressures close to equal at the track.
#66
Regardless of tire (track NT-01, street Sumis) I'm using much smaller r-f psi diffs (1-2psi tops), if any at all. Car drives much better (more neutral) that way. I don't think I've ever even experienced a 6gt3 with a 7psi r-f diff. It was probably suggested as a way to minimize potential liability by introducing plenty under-steer. Most shops who know GT3s recommend that you keep the f/r pressures close to equal at the track.
#68
Higher rear pressure REDUCES oversteer.
A lower tire pressure increases size of contact patch and higher pressure reduces the size of contact patch. A larger contact patch will have more grip... thus lower pressure = more grip -> less oversteer.
This obviously has a lower bound as a flat tire doesn't have the structure to support the vehicle but generally this applies.
#69
My tech says I need to change tires every 90 days. BWAHahahahahahhaha (I crack myself up - this refers to another post where I advise that I was advised I need to do an oil change every 90 days)
#70
I think we agree more grip on rear tire reduces oversteer...
A lower tire pressure increases size of contact patch and higher pressure reduces the size of contact patch. A larger contact patch will have more grip... thus lower pressure = more grip -> less oversteer.
This obviously has a lower bound as a flat tire doesn't have the structure to support the vehicle but generally this applies.
A lower tire pressure increases size of contact patch and higher pressure reduces the size of contact patch. A larger contact patch will have more grip... thus lower pressure = more grip -> less oversteer.
This obviously has a lower bound as a flat tire doesn't have the structure to support the vehicle but generally this applies.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tirete....jsp?techid=58
Google is your friend.
#71
What you say makes sense but I've delegated the answer to the experts and they have all said that higher rear pressure REDUCES oversteer, which also overlaps with the practice of almost all car makers to recommend higher rear pressures for that exact reason (to reduce liability by reducing oversteer). I posted a link in my previous message. Here's another one saying the same thing:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tirete....jsp?techid=58
Google is your friend.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tirete....jsp?techid=58
Google is your friend.
Check out what google gives when I search "tire pressure vs grip": https://www.facebook.com/notes/ultra...0134442380550/
#72
I hear you... and I trust tirerack more than your first post... but that's just not right. Now I have to go read my eng books
Check out what google gives when I search "tire pressure vs grip": https://www.facebook.com/notes/ultra...0134442380550/
Check out what google gives when I search "tire pressure vs grip": https://www.facebook.com/notes/ultra...0134442380550/
Here's a RL discussion about it:
https://rennlist.com/forums/racing-a...ndersteer.html
You made me look into this myself instead of accepting the experts' wisdom at face value, so thanks for that.
EDIT: In the end, it's probably best to follow the money. Porsche wouldn't be recommending street f/r pressures of 32/39 (and BMW rates of 30/38) if it INCREASED their liabilities through increased oversteer. It's a well known fact that OEM street pressures on all cars are set for understeer and none of them has f > r recommended pressures.
Last edited by hf1; 12-22-2015 at 05:07 PM.
#73
You're looking at the subject very narrowly. There are a lot more components that factor into a cars handling than tire pressure (and spring rate).
It's unfair to attribute a cars characteristics to either one of those two things.
It's unfair to attribute a cars characteristics to either one of those two things.
#75
We're talking 'all other things being equal/unchanged', of course.