March 2012 VIR with Zone2 picture and video thread
03-27-2012, 11:49 AM
#47
Nordschleife Master
Thread Starter
Dell,
I'm using the Contour HD (which I love due to the simplicity) but the video was scrubbed with some random tool before I uploaded it to Vimeo. The frame rate was affected during post processing.
Now... where are those 2-3 seconds I'm loosing in my chase of a 2:06?
-KJ
I'm using the Contour HD (which I love due to the simplicity) but the video was scrubbed with some random tool before I uploaded it to Vimeo. The frame rate was affected during post processing.
Now... where are those 2-3 seconds I'm loosing in my chase of a 2:06?
-KJ
Re: Goal to break into 2:06's
Do you have data acquisition? If you don't then there is only so much we (as driver coaches) can do to help you from just watching a video.
Riding right seat will help, but data will really identify the places you are losing time.
I forget, do you have experience piloting a 6GT3?
03-27-2012, 12:10 PM
#48
Racer
The GT3 is just my fun car. I have data in the race car.
I know video is limited for detailed analysis. I was just wondering if you guys saw anything of note since I only get to VIR 1-2 times a year.
Seriously, thanks for the feedback!
-KJ
I know video is limited for detailed analysis. I was just wondering if you guys saw anything of note since I only get to VIR 1-2 times a year.
Seriously, thanks for the feedback!
-KJ
03-27-2012, 01:19 PM
#52
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Thanks! It's a fun car to drive. TPC does my set-up and the car is so forgiving to drive. I have their adjustable toe-links on the suspension as well as the aforementioned JRZs. The wing is a replica RS wing that a buddy sold me for cheap. I have no clue where it came from. I also have euro GT3 seats and 997 shift linkage. I love this car! 
-KJ
-KJ
I'm gonna ask for a ride next time we meet. &, nice driving!
03-27-2012, 04:04 PM
#53
Racer
03-28-2012, 03:44 PM
#54
Things I do differently.
A little later into t3 about 3 to 4 feet off the apex which makes for a smoother longer straight/transition out of t3 and down to t4.
A little later into oak tree about 2 or 3 feet off the apex which like going into t3 allows for a better run out of oak tree because the angle of the car is much improved. Ideally I like both tires square on the back side gators and don't like it when my fronts get there 1st I like them to arrive on the back side gators at about the same time.
A little later into t16. If I go in early and take more of a straight down hill approach I can't get into the gas soon enough and it upsets the car as well so sacrificing a little entry speed and entering later again allows me to get both tires square on the left side gators and I can hammer down from there with nothing but throttle steer to deal with.
Ways to go from 2.09s/10s to 2.06s at VIR:
1st Fresh rubber
Speed into and out of 1 and basically all the way to 3. Most everyone can go a good 5mph faster into 3.
The esses is a whole lot faster than I could ever imagine. My indicated speeds are 140 (at the cross over to the N course) then down to high 120s and back to mid 30s on the top side before 10.
Into and out of oak tree. Lots of speed there but it's also such a short distance it won't make or break a good lap but it will make a great lap
Late braking at t14 but I think you're already braking at about the 1 or 1.5 which is late enough. Could possibly brake later but not a place to eff about.
Into and out of t17 (should be 105 to 110 at the end of the gators).
03-28-2012, 10:49 PM
#55
Rennlist Member
Great driving
Things I do differently.
A little later into t3 about 3 to 4 feet off the apex which makes for a smoother longer straight/transition out of t3 and down to t4.
A little later into oak tree about 2 or 3 feet off the apex which like going into t3 allows for a better run out of oak tree because the angle of the car is much improved. Ideally I like both tires square on the back side gators and don't like it when my fronts get there 1st I like them to arrive on the back side gators at about the same time.
A little later into t16. If I go in early and take more of a straight down hill approach I can't get into the gas soon enough and it upsets the car as well so sacrificing a little entry speed and entering later again allows me to get both tires square on the left side gators and I can hammer down from there with nothing but throttle steer to deal with.
Ways to go from 2.09s/10s to 2.06s at VIR:
1st Fresh rubber
Speed into and out of 1 and basically all the way to 3. Most everyone can go a good 5mph faster into 3.
The esses is a whole lot faster than I could ever imagine. My indicated speeds are 140 (at the cross over to the N course) then down to high 120s and back to mid 30s on the top side before 10.
Into and out of oak tree. Lots of speed there but it's also such a short distance it won't make or break a good lap but it will make a great lap
Late braking at t14 but I think you're already braking at about the 1 or 1.5 which is late enough. Could possibly brake later but not a place to eff about.
Into and out of t17 (should be 105 to 110 at the end of the gators).
Things I do differently.
A little later into t3 about 3 to 4 feet off the apex which makes for a smoother longer straight/transition out of t3 and down to t4.
A little later into oak tree about 2 or 3 feet off the apex which like going into t3 allows for a better run out of oak tree because the angle of the car is much improved. Ideally I like both tires square on the back side gators and don't like it when my fronts get there 1st I like them to arrive on the back side gators at about the same time.
A little later into t16. If I go in early and take more of a straight down hill approach I can't get into the gas soon enough and it upsets the car as well so sacrificing a little entry speed and entering later again allows me to get both tires square on the left side gators and I can hammer down from there with nothing but throttle steer to deal with.
Ways to go from 2.09s/10s to 2.06s at VIR:
1st Fresh rubber
Speed into and out of 1 and basically all the way to 3. Most everyone can go a good 5mph faster into 3.
The esses is a whole lot faster than I could ever imagine. My indicated speeds are 140 (at the cross over to the N course) then down to high 120s and back to mid 30s on the top side before 10.
Into and out of oak tree. Lots of speed there but it's also such a short distance it won't make or break a good lap but it will make a great lap
Late braking at t14 but I think you're already braking at about the 1 or 1.5 which is late enough. Could possibly brake later but not a place to eff about.
Into and out of t17 (should be 105 to 110 at the end of the gators).
Dell, nice save. Looked/sounded from your in-car that you delayed the downshift until very late and then may have missed rev matching properly, which may have caused the back end to get loose?
Some nice videos in this thread! And nice pics, too!
03-29-2012, 08:26 AM
#57
Rennlist Member
This the 991s 32 degree morning 20+ mph winds .. Car was week .. Being very easy on pads .. No pads in the states at the time.. Bone stock as it left porsche
03-29-2012, 10:52 AM
#58
Racer
Great driving
Things I do differently.
A little later into t3 about 3 to 4 feet off the apex which makes for a smoother longer straight/transition out of t3 and down to t4.
A little later into oak tree about 2 or 3 feet off the apex which like going into t3 allows for a better run out of oak tree because the angle of the car is much improved. Ideally I like both tires square on the back side gators and don't like it when my fronts get there 1st I like them to arrive on the back side gators at about the same time.
A little later into t16. If I go in early and take more of a straight down hill approach I can't get into the gas soon enough and it upsets the car as well so sacrificing a little entry speed and entering later again allows me to get both tires square on the left side gators and I can hammer down from there with nothing but throttle steer to deal with.
Ways to go from 2.09s/10s to 2.06s at VIR:
1st Fresh rubber
Speed into and out of 1 and basically all the way to 3. Most everyone can go a good 5mph faster into 3.
The esses is a whole lot faster than I could ever imagine. My indicated speeds are 140 (at the cross over to the N course) then down to high 120s and back to mid 30s on the top side before 10.
Into and out of oak tree. Lots of speed there but it's also such a short distance it won't make or break a good lap but it will make a great lap
Late braking at t14 but I think you're already braking at about the 1 or 1.5 which is late enough. Could possibly brake later but not a place to eff about.
Into and out of t17 (should be 105 to 110 at the end of the gators).
Things I do differently.
A little later into t3 about 3 to 4 feet off the apex which makes for a smoother longer straight/transition out of t3 and down to t4.
A little later into oak tree about 2 or 3 feet off the apex which like going into t3 allows for a better run out of oak tree because the angle of the car is much improved. Ideally I like both tires square on the back side gators and don't like it when my fronts get there 1st I like them to arrive on the back side gators at about the same time.
A little later into t16. If I go in early and take more of a straight down hill approach I can't get into the gas soon enough and it upsets the car as well so sacrificing a little entry speed and entering later again allows me to get both tires square on the left side gators and I can hammer down from there with nothing but throttle steer to deal with.
Ways to go from 2.09s/10s to 2.06s at VIR:
1st Fresh rubber
Speed into and out of 1 and basically all the way to 3. Most everyone can go a good 5mph faster into 3.
The esses is a whole lot faster than I could ever imagine. My indicated speeds are 140 (at the cross over to the N course) then down to high 120s and back to mid 30s on the top side before 10.
Into and out of oak tree. Lots of speed there but it's also such a short distance it won't make or break a good lap but it will make a great lap
Late braking at t14 but I think you're already braking at about the 1 or 1.5 which is late enough. Could possibly brake later but not a place to eff about.
Into and out of t17 (should be 105 to 110 at the end of the gators).
I'll definitely need to get you into the right seat (assuming you don't have the flu!) the next time I am at VIR and help me some with these things. I know I can carry more speed through 3 but am concerned about not effin' up 4. I'd like to see what you're doing at Oak Tree and 16.
I know the car in it's current state is good for 2:06s. Now it is up to the drover to get the necessary attachments and get it there. Thanks again!
-KJ
03-29-2012, 11:10 AM
#59
Rennlist Member
One thing I noticed..entering esses I wait late past north staying on gas , stay left till after the dirt then right, allows you to carry more speed in, also keeps the car straighter you can hit the second gator with out unsettling the car.. More gas throughout the esses
03-30-2012, 03:50 PM
#60
THANKS FRITZ!!! That is exactly what I was looking for.
I'll definitely need to get you into the right seat (assuming you don't have the flu!) the next time I am at VIR and help me some with these things. I know I can carry more speed through 3 but am concerned about not effin' up 4. I'd like to see what you're doing at Oak Tree and 16.
I know the car in it's current state is good for 2:06s. Now it is up to the drover to get the necessary attachments and get it there. Thanks again!
-KJ
I'll definitely need to get you into the right seat (assuming you don't have the flu!) the next time I am at VIR and help me some with these things. I know I can carry more speed through 3 but am concerned about not effin' up 4. I'd like to see what you're doing at Oak Tree and 16.
I know the car in it's current state is good for 2:06s. Now it is up to the drover to get the necessary attachments and get it there. Thanks again!
-KJ
My pleasure on riding shotgun anytime.
Matt is right about the esses you MUST get in LATE to really nail the gas. I use all the N entry space I can can get and slowly smoothly move left (again going about a buck 40) and try to place both tires square to the white line on the left side and just as the track slowly starts to dip down or just before the very small dip down I enter with a small quick turn in followed by more small quick turns. If you get in too soon too hot just jump over 1st apex slow down and find the groove again. If you get in too late just middle track it applying brakes in a straight line. When carrying lots of speed into the ESSES they can bite you before you know what hit you.
PS I just read Matt saying late after the N. I disagree there if you're too late you can't carry enough speed so I turn slowly just before it ends (sort of a smooth in and out of the N course entrance) driving over the left side gator finding the white line as mentioned above etc....