roberga

Life changes: small pre IPO with no time to play until we sell. I got an ugly Panamera 4S sorry guys but it is a great car. I will be putting together a car for tracking only. Spec cayman or 996GT3 for next year.

mooty

cool give me until mid 2011, just in time to buy my track modded 996gt3.

Carefree

Hmmm, I believe Gordon will be putting together "whatever car he chooses" at the time and it will most likely be a GT3?
That is just my guess.

Gorden, quite working, traveling and staying too darn busy too be a track junky!
Hope all is well, the sun is shining in Portland, so swing on by.

jberkes

So guys, what do you think? Got an offer for my GT3 of $51k. Am I getting low-balled? I'm inclined to keep it at that price & put a lift in the garage (can do w/12' ceiling height).

AllanJ

Sounds low to me.

LVDell

I would think if he is offering 51 and you asked 59 then he thinks the "magic number" is in the mid 50s (i.e., 55K). I'd go back with 55K and that's it. 51K isn't an insult but it is sure less than what the car is worth.

Camber

Just for comparison, I just bought a 2004 GT3, Basalt Black, Xenon, 16k miles, iron brakes, 0 overrevs, with new tires, new front rotors/pads, and new CPO warranty (started with my purchase so two years beginning this month) for $57k. Purchased from a Porsche dealer. So, honestly, 51k may be a little low, but not by much. PCCB is either a positive or a negative depending on the buyer - for me it's a negative.

cfjan

PCCB should not be a negative.. at most, it is even. Why would it be a negative when it can be replaced w/ iron once they are done? I understand that one does not want to pay UP for it.. but it shouldn't be a negative even if you track it..

KOAN

How should it be even when, as soon as you buy the car, you will have to spend another $1k+ to make that car track ready?

cfjan

It is at least even because you can track the PCCB also..

PCCB is no less durable than iron, I think they are more durable, but just not proportional to their cost...

So you run the PCCB as is.. and they last longer than the iron rotors.. (so you are up already)

And when PCCB is worn, you change to iron, for the same price as if you are changing a iron equipped car..

That's how I see it..

I would consider PCCB a negative, only if you are obligated to replace them w/ PCCB. So you are hooked for the high price rotors. But it is not the case here.

DRG13

Pull off PCCB's, sell them and you've got cash for a new set of steel and tires...and gas for a day..

KOAN

I heard that tracked Gen I PCCBs didn't last long, especially on the front. Then, when you go to Steel, you need different pads as well.

cfjan

I think they last longer but just not proportional to their cost... so they are not cost effective..

One of the members here (roberga) has done a lot of track days on his '04 GT3 (1st gen).. and I believe his rear rotors were still original when he sold the car w/ 60k miles? While the front were replaced to 2nd gen after something like 20k miles+? (forgot)

Of course, we can always do what DRG suggested.. take them out, sell the rotors (assuming in good condition, and in this case, they should be, as they have only seen street miles), and you would still be up after buying a set of irons.. !!

AllanJ

You don't need different pads. The P90 compound is roughly equivalent to RS19 with some magic fairy dust in them to make them play nice with PCCB (info from an old Q&A with Joel from PCA). I've used P90 on my iron rotors and they work fine. Also, it's real easy to use partially worn PCCB pads with iron rotors because PCCB rotors don't really wear. Never get grooves (aside from failure) so the pads stay dead flat, just thinner over time. When you install new iron rotors, you won't be matching those up with old grooved pads.

Cheers,

Mr Michael B

PCCB is fine on the track... With one caveat (that has been discussed here before) = Stay out of the ABS. The hammering of the ABS is what deteriorates the rotors.

For me that has not been an issue as I took the brake pedal out and tossed it away (its just weight and all it seems to do is slow you down anyhow).