Mooty and Mia at TH with Black Sheep Racing
08-26-2008, 05:13 PM
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John clued me yesterday on what your "Black Sheep" thing was all about. How far PCA around here has come (gone?). You guys would not believe how fast/loose/close things were 10+ years ago.............but then everyone at the quick end of the grid went racing, and I guess there was a total turnover.
08-26-2008, 05:15 PM
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John clued me yesterday on what your "Black Sheep" thing was all about. How far PCA around here has come (gone?). You guys would not believe how fast/loose/close things were 10+ years ago.............but then everyone at the quick end of the grid went racing, and I guess there was a total turnover.
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08-26-2008, 05:16 PM
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Ken, what did you say?
Yes, there has been an influx of new blood in the local PCA regions. They are still run by veterans and sometimes there is conflict. Nothing that a gentle discussion in the paddock could put to rest.
You are right that the faster drivers have expanded their driving to include other clubs that offer wheel to wheel racing.
Yes, there has been an influx of new blood in the local PCA regions. They are still run by veterans and sometimes there is conflict. Nothing that a gentle discussion in the paddock could put to rest.
You are right that the faster drivers have expanded their driving to include other clubs that offer wheel to wheel racing.
08-26-2008, 05:19 PM
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John clued me yesterday on what your "Black Sheep" thing was all about. How far PCA around here has come (gone?). You guys would not believe how fast/loose/close things were 10+ years ago.............but then everyone at the quick end of the grid went racing, and I guess there was a total turnover.
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08-26-2008, 05:44 PM
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OK, to address everything at once.........
I'm sure I've known John longer than all of you guys put together.....about 7 years now? He had a MIATA when he first showed up!
Who you call "old timers" in GGR circles most likely were still probably 20 years from hitting the track when I first showed up in 1980. The next crop when I got into things in the early-90's started racing in the mid-'90's when the first club races were held. (I had to hold off some getting back into wheel-to-wheel for a few more years as I was building a business.) Then Masuo and Jeff ditched PCA club racing and got PRC off the ground. Rest is history there.
We did have informal open passing starting in maybe '96 (?). I forget who was chair when we crept that way. I started a class for what was kind of ITE for 911's. Anything goes as long as it had a license plate (or could be), no slicks. Just a simpler/old school version of what John tells me you guys are doing now. From my 3.5L '74 chassis track rat to some (then) new high $$$ RS America club racers. Probably one step below bump drafting, as far as running close. ZERO PROBLEMS OR INCIDENTS. Masuo's years running the show certainly were the best.
Happy to expand on this if you want, or bury it if it's too painful! In any case, yesterday and our open track event was great. Except for the yellow car coming up lame just when I was going to run toe-to-to with John! About 200 miles in all the cars. Totally stiff neck from 2.5g cornering in the Radical. Even some fun (albeit slooooooow) racing with the SM's.
I'm sure I've known John longer than all of you guys put together.....about 7 years now? He had a MIATA when he first showed up!
Who you call "old timers" in GGR circles most likely were still probably 20 years from hitting the track when I first showed up in 1980. The next crop when I got into things in the early-90's started racing in the mid-'90's when the first club races were held. (I had to hold off some getting back into wheel-to-wheel for a few more years as I was building a business.) Then Masuo and Jeff ditched PCA club racing and got PRC off the ground. Rest is history there.
We did have informal open passing starting in maybe '96 (?). I forget who was chair when we crept that way. I started a class for what was kind of ITE for 911's. Anything goes as long as it had a license plate (or could be), no slicks. Just a simpler/old school version of what John tells me you guys are doing now. From my 3.5L '74 chassis track rat to some (then) new high $$$ RS America club racers. Probably one step below bump drafting, as far as running close. ZERO PROBLEMS OR INCIDENTS. Masuo's years running the show certainly were the best.
Happy to expand on this if you want, or bury it if it's too painful! In any case, yesterday and our open track event was great. Except for the yellow car coming up lame just when I was going to run toe-to-to with John! About 200 miles in all the cars. Totally stiff neck from 2.5g cornering in the Radical. Even some fun (albeit slooooooow) racing with the SM's.
08-26-2008, 07:54 PM
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Whoa, 300lbs?! What does the car tip the scale at now?
08-26-2008, 08:48 PM
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i FIRST showed at in a 996C2, but was doing 4 mins at TH thus i have beem mistaken to be a miata.
did you sort out YZ? you probably catch me if YZ was rujning well. i only did 2:03 yesterday.
08-26-2008, 08:51 PM
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08-26-2008, 08:52 PM
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And I thought your car was crying with all the abuse u gave it : ). Just ordered my flame suit but car still not quite ready. My clutch pedal is vibrating in gear and more so when downshifting. Clutch spring was just replaced so maybe it's missing a bushing or 2 : (. Regards. Mike
08-26-2008, 08:56 PM
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first off i was kidding. john is a friend of mine too. i did use a winky but i guess that was missed.
BTW... i've met you at LS but that was a couple of years ago. haven't seen you since.
thx. for expanding on the history of GGR.
BTW... i've met you at LS but that was a couple of years ago. haven't seen you since.
thx. for expanding on the history of GGR.
OK, to address everything at once.........
I'm sure I've known John longer than all of you guys put together.....about 7 years now? He had a MIATA when he first showed up!
Who you call "old timers" in GGR circles most likely were still probably 20 years from hitting the track when I first showed up in 1980. The next crop when I got into things in the early-90's started racing in the mid-'90's when the first club races were held. (I had to hold off some getting back into wheel-to-wheel for a few more years as I was building a business.) Then Masuo and Jeff ditched PCA club racing and got PRC off the ground. Rest is history there.
We did have informal open passing starting in maybe '96 (?). I forget who was chair when we crept that way. I started a class for what was kind of ITE for 911's. Anything goes as long as it had a license plate (or could be), no slicks. Just a simpler/old school version of what John tells me you guys are doing now. From my 3.5L '74 chassis track rat to some (then) new high $$$ RS America club racers. Probably one step below bump drafting, as far as running close. ZERO PROBLEMS OR INCIDENTS. Masuo's years running the show certainly were the best.
Happy to expand on this if you want, or bury it if it's too painful! In any case, yesterday and our open track event was great. Except for the yellow car coming up lame just when I was going to run toe-to-to with John! About 200 miles in all the cars. Totally stiff neck from 2.5g cornering in the Radical. Even some fun (albeit slooooooow) racing with the SM's.
I'm sure I've known John longer than all of you guys put together.....about 7 years now? He had a MIATA when he first showed up!
Who you call "old timers" in GGR circles most likely were still probably 20 years from hitting the track when I first showed up in 1980. The next crop when I got into things in the early-90's started racing in the mid-'90's when the first club races were held. (I had to hold off some getting back into wheel-to-wheel for a few more years as I was building a business.) Then Masuo and Jeff ditched PCA club racing and got PRC off the ground. Rest is history there.
We did have informal open passing starting in maybe '96 (?). I forget who was chair when we crept that way. I started a class for what was kind of ITE for 911's. Anything goes as long as it had a license plate (or could be), no slicks. Just a simpler/old school version of what John tells me you guys are doing now. From my 3.5L '74 chassis track rat to some (then) new high $$$ RS America club racers. Probably one step below bump drafting, as far as running close. ZERO PROBLEMS OR INCIDENTS. Masuo's years running the show certainly were the best.
Happy to expand on this if you want, or bury it if it's too painful! In any case, yesterday and our open track event was great. Except for the yellow car coming up lame just when I was going to run toe-to-to with John! About 200 miles in all the cars. Totally stiff neck from 2.5g cornering in the Radical. Even some fun (albeit slooooooow) racing with the SM's.
08-26-2008, 09:27 PM
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I was only having fun....I really like John and the crew, so sorry if I sounded otherwise!
but...hmmm it is still Dave's fault!
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but...hmmm it is still Dave's fault!
Cheers
Jerry
OK, to address everything at once.........
I'm sure I've known John longer than all of you guys put together.....about 7 years now? He had a MIATA when he first showed up!
Who you call "old timers" in GGR circles most likely were still probably 20 years from hitting the track when I first showed up in 1980. The next crop when I got into things in the early-90's started racing in the mid-'90's when the first club races were held. (I had to hold off some getting back into wheel-to-wheel for a few more years as I was building a business.) Then Masuo and Jeff ditched PCA club racing and got PRC off the ground. Rest is history there.
We did have informal open passing starting in maybe '96 (?). I forget who was chair when we crept that way. I started a class for what was kind of ITE for 911's. Anything goes as long as it had a license plate (or could be), no slicks. Just a simpler/old school version of what John tells me you guys are doing now. From my 3.5L '74 chassis track rat to some (then) new high $$$ RS America club racers. Probably one step below bump drafting, as far as running close. ZERO PROBLEMS OR INCIDENTS. Masuo's years running the show certainly were the best.
Happy to expand on this if you want, or bury it if it's too painful! In any case, yesterday and our open track event was great. Except for the yellow car coming up lame just when I was going to run toe-to-to with John! About 200 miles in all the cars. Totally stiff neck from 2.5g cornering in the Radical. Even some fun (albeit slooooooow) racing with the SM's.
I'm sure I've known John longer than all of you guys put together.....about 7 years now? He had a MIATA when he first showed up!
Who you call "old timers" in GGR circles most likely were still probably 20 years from hitting the track when I first showed up in 1980. The next crop when I got into things in the early-90's started racing in the mid-'90's when the first club races were held. (I had to hold off some getting back into wheel-to-wheel for a few more years as I was building a business.) Then Masuo and Jeff ditched PCA club racing and got PRC off the ground. Rest is history there.
We did have informal open passing starting in maybe '96 (?). I forget who was chair when we crept that way. I started a class for what was kind of ITE for 911's. Anything goes as long as it had a license plate (or could be), no slicks. Just a simpler/old school version of what John tells me you guys are doing now. From my 3.5L '74 chassis track rat to some (then) new high $$$ RS America club racers. Probably one step below bump drafting, as far as running close. ZERO PROBLEMS OR INCIDENTS. Masuo's years running the show certainly were the best.
Happy to expand on this if you want, or bury it if it's too painful! In any case, yesterday and our open track event was great. Except for the yellow car coming up lame just when I was going to run toe-to-to with John! About 200 miles in all the cars. Totally stiff neck from 2.5g cornering in the Radical. Even some fun (albeit slooooooow) racing with the SM's.
08-27-2008, 01:50 AM
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