GT3 rolls at The Ring
01-02-2007 | 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Haku
Nordschleife, thanks for a VERY informative post. You highlight the very important issue of visualisation and concentration which I for one sometimes overlook. My thanks.
I am more convinced than ever that one should do some sort of PDE equivalent prior to track or other high performance driving. I'm going to enroll on one pronto.
I am more convinced than ever that one should do some sort of PDE equivalent prior to track or other high performance driving. I'm going to enroll on one pronto.
I've got a lot to learn and I'm going to start with autox school with this beast. Last night I was out in the GT3 in light rain (I can't always wait for good weather around here)
and when I was going up a slight hill in 2nd gear, I decided to boot it a bit. Maybe I was at 2/3 throttle - I was trying to take it easy. Anyhow, the car was accelerating fine until around 5K rpm when the rear end broke loose and the car started to rotate. I recovered just fine, but it was a gentle reminder that this car must be respected.Cheers,
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01-03-2007 | 03:44 AM
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In this case, it is quite apparent that the driver is not on top of the task in hand. Firstly, he is off line, is he even looking where he wants to go? He enters the corner in a state of indecision, at which point life begins to get interesting, the car is driving him. Suddenly the car starts to feel 'strange' because the driver is not attuned to what is going on, when he finally wakes up, what does he do - big lift - this isn't his first mistake, and its not his last either, next he dosn't deal with the throttle off induced snap oversteer in a timely fashion. He is late reacting to the tail going out, and when he does finally wake up, he pile on corrective opposite lock hard and holds it...... too long. common mistake, 'whoops, we need to fix this, never mind I'm a bit late, I'll countersteer as fast as I can and....... oh goodie, its working, ah, its coming back, that feels better, nearly done - ooooopppps - the other way, aaaaghhh' - BANG.
Which helpped me to learn how to handle the situation.... until now... Is there any way to learn the limits without crossing the bridge occasionally ?
01-03-2007 | 04:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Flying Finn
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Most of the drivers who end up spinning recognize the situation too late (at least for their skills).
Most of the drivers who end up spinning recognize the situation too late (at least for their skills).
Btw, FF, let me know if you still want to read that GV book.
01-03-2007 | 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by boqueron
Is there any way to learn the limits without crossing the bridge occasionally ?
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01-03-2007 | 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Larry Herman
A few years of intense Karting or Autocrossing are the 2 best ways. A third way (but not as efficient) is to step back into a very slow car with street tires and drive that. There is no other way. You cannot learn car control by osmosis.
And every time it rains when you're at track or autoX, don't be like most of the guys who stay in the garage, go out and use that "special practice" time to learn. At track, you of course need to be careful but usually all tracks have at least a corner or two where it's safe to spin.
01-03-2007 | 12:59 PM
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...usually all tracks have at least a corner or two where it's safe to spin.
When I was driving motocross I had a t-shirt that said "if you never fall, you're not trying hard enough", same rule applies here.
01-03-2007 | 03:00 PM
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My 'course' for producing new race drivers ivolves the following, or near to it
The Audi Germany initial 2 Day course - the instructors are fantastic
the Audi 2 Days at a F1 track
The Audi Winter Driving Pro course in Finland - ice and studs
then
Porsche Courses at Leipzig through the race / data ac course
whilst all that is going on, they do the Zakspeed race licence course, the drift day(s) at Bitburg, and start on the Scuderia Hanseat driving days at the 'Ring.
The reason I start with Audi is related to the quality of instruction and the peculiar layout of the Audi cars, you learn a lot about understeer and learning to induce induce oversteer is instructive.
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The Audi Germany initial 2 Day course - the instructors are fantastic
the Audi 2 Days at a F1 track
The Audi Winter Driving Pro course in Finland - ice and studs
then
Porsche Courses at Leipzig through the race / data ac course
whilst all that is going on, they do the Zakspeed race licence course, the drift day(s) at Bitburg, and start on the Scuderia Hanseat driving days at the 'Ring.
The reason I start with Audi is related to the quality of instruction and the peculiar layout of the Audi cars, you learn a lot about understeer and learning to induce induce oversteer is instructive.
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01-03-2007 | 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Flying Finn
Of course.
When I was driving motocross I had a t-shirt that said "if you never fall, you're not trying hard enough", same rule applies here.
When I was driving motocross I had a t-shirt that said "if you never fall, you're not trying hard enough", same rule applies here.
01-03-2007 | 04:54 PM
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Nordschleife,
I have attended all kind of driving courses,dry,wet,ice... Could you explain a bit more the
? Any way, I imagine that they are in ..German ?
I have attended all kind of driving courses,dry,wet,ice... Could you explain a bit more the
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Porsche Courses at Leipzig through the race / data ac course whilst all that is going on, they do the Zakspeed race licence course, the drift day(s) at Bitburg, and start on the Scuderia Hanseat driving days at the 'Ring.
01-03-2007 | 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Nordschleife
My 'course' for producing new race drivers ivolves the following, or near to it
The Audi Germany initial 2 Day course - the instructors are fantastic
the Audi 2 Days at a F1 track
The Audi Winter Driving Pro course in Finland - ice and studs
then
Porsche Courses at Leipzig through the race / data ac course
whilst all that is going on, they do the Zakspeed race licence course, the drift day(s) at Bitburg, and start on the Scuderia Hanseat driving days at the 'Ring.
The reason I start with Audi is related to the quality of instruction and the peculiar layout of the Audi cars, you learn a lot about understeer and learning to induce induce oversteer is instructive.
R+C
The Audi Germany initial 2 Day course - the instructors are fantastic
the Audi 2 Days at a F1 track
The Audi Winter Driving Pro course in Finland - ice and studs
then
Porsche Courses at Leipzig through the race / data ac course
whilst all that is going on, they do the Zakspeed race licence course, the drift day(s) at Bitburg, and start on the Scuderia Hanseat driving days at the 'Ring.
The reason I start with Audi is related to the quality of instruction and the peculiar layout of the Audi cars, you learn a lot about understeer and learning to induce induce oversteer is instructive.
R+C
01-03-2007 | 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by boqueron
Nordschleife,
I have attended all kind of driving courses,dry,wet,ice... Could you explain a bit more the
? Any way, I imagine that they are in ..German ?
I have attended all kind of driving courses,dry,wet,ice... Could you explain a bit more the
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Porsche Courses at Leipzig through the race / data ac course whilst all that is going on, they do the Zakspeed race licence course, the drift day(s) at Bitburg, and start on the Scuderia Hanseat driving days at the 'Ring.
Porsche Leipzig has a series of courses which start off fairly basic and end up teaching you in a GT3 Cup car. Check out - http://www.porsche.com/germany/sport.../reservations/ for starters
Hope this helps
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01-04-2007 | 02:19 AM
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Nordschleife,
Thanks. Porsche courses are the only easy ones to book in Spain. Problem is that they are far from being exciting here....in any of their levels..
Long time ago I contacted Audi Spain , for their Ice tution, only to find that they will only give courses to ....Audi owners
. Well I am attending a two day ice track course in France next month. .. I have been able to find the Zakspeed site and info but couldn't find much on the drift days at Bitsburg.
Any clue ?
Thanks. Porsche courses are the only easy ones to book in Spain. Problem is that they are far from being exciting here....in any of their levels..
Long time ago I contacted Audi Spain , for their Ice tution, only to find that they will only give courses to ....Audi owners
. Well I am attending a two day ice track course in France next month. .. I have been able to find the Zakspeed site and info but couldn't find much on the drift days at Bitsburg. Any clue ?
01-04-2007 | 05:36 AM
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Originally Posted by boqueron
Nordschleife,
Thanks. Porsche courses are the only easy ones to book in Spain. Problem is that they are far from being exciting here....in any of their levels..
Long time ago I contacted Audi Spain , for their Ice tution, only to find that they will only give courses to ....Audi owners . Well I am attending a two day ice track course in France next month. .. I have been able to find the Zakspeed site and info but couldn't find much on the drift days at Bitsburg.
Any clue ?
Thanks. Porsche courses are the only easy ones to book in Spain. Problem is that they are far from being exciting here....in any of their levels..
Long time ago I contacted Audi Spain , for their Ice tution, only to find that they will only give courses to ....Audi owners
. Well I am attending a two day ice track course in France next month. .. I have been able to find the Zakspeed site and info but couldn't find much on the drift days at Bitsburg. Any clue ?
Here is a link you will find helpful for Bitberg Driftschool training - http://www.pistenclub.de/
and
http://www.driftpromotion.com/index_1.html
Zakspeed run the DMSB licence training school.
As far as Audi are concerned. Go directly to the Driving Experience office in Ingolstadt,
AUDI AG
Audi driving experience
D-85045 Ingolstadt
Tel.: +49 841 89-3 29 00
Fax: +49 841 89-3 51 46
Rainer K. usually fixes everything up, otherwise speak to the boss, Demel is his name.
If going to Finland, be sure and go on the course where you get to do a night rally stage with Sepp H driving.......
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