Porsche Paddle shift
05-14-2006, 10:06 PM
#1
Thread Starter
Porsche Paddle shift
Can anyone point to a URL or location that has information on Porsche's new semi-automatic F1 type gear box? I ran into a person this weekend that was talking about it and it's rumored to be fantastic but I have not read anything about it.
I think the EGear, F1, SMG boxes are fantastic on the track but I've never found the love for them on the road. From what this guy was saying the Porsche box looks to satisfy the driveability issues and do the perfect throttle matched shifts.
I think the EGear, F1, SMG boxes are fantastic on the track but I've never found the love for them on the road. From what this guy was saying the Porsche box looks to satisfy the driveability issues and do the perfect throttle matched shifts.
05-14-2006, 10:21 PM
#2
rennteam.com has had alot of discussions about this.
at this point everyone know's that its coming, but the only solid info is the LACK of solid info.
its all speculation. its going to be a DSG box meaning there are two clutches, one to pre-select the next gear for instant*** shifts.
so it is going to be more advanced than SMG/Egear/Ferrari F1
for a 'preview' go try out an audi TT or golf with the DSG box, and imagine that mated to a GT3 or Turbo.
the reason it has not been availible sooner is that the hollow driveshafts and other special parts that allow the two clutches to operate simultaneously could not cope with the high power outputs that porsche required.
sure, there is the bugatti veyron, but that gearbox is bespoke and costs over $100k to replace.
at this point everyone know's that its coming, but the only solid info is the LACK of solid info.
its all speculation. its going to be a DSG box meaning there are two clutches, one to pre-select the next gear for instant*** shifts.
so it is going to be more advanced than SMG/Egear/Ferrari F1
for a 'preview' go try out an audi TT or golf with the DSG box, and imagine that mated to a GT3 or Turbo.
the reason it has not been availible sooner is that the hollow driveshafts and other special parts that allow the two clutches to operate simultaneously could not cope with the high power outputs that porsche required.
sure, there is the bugatti veyron, but that gearbox is bespoke and costs over $100k to replace.
05-14-2006, 11:57 PM
#4
I leave the SMG in automatic most of the time.
In truth, i needed a commuter and didn't want to by an automatic turbo or cayenne...
On the track it definitely makes things very fast and reliable - always perfectly matched downshifts/etc.
However, it does take something away from the experience of a manual.
That said, in traffic, its a blessing!
So for a dedicated track car, it will definitely improve your times, but saps some of the fun. In the end it comes down to which is more important.
so to recap:
SMG/DSG type systems:
+computer controls shifting = perfect shift every time.
+no power loss due to torque converter
+can be placed in fully automatic mode
+adjustable settings for shift speed/etc
-removes a bit of involvement on an open road/track
what is really interesting about the SMG box used on the BMW M3 is that it is the SAME gearbox as the manual, except with additional 20~pounds of solenoids and computers to control it.
mabye they can make a hybrid?
In truth, i needed a commuter and didn't want to by an automatic turbo or cayenne...
On the track it definitely makes things very fast and reliable - always perfectly matched downshifts/etc.
However, it does take something away from the experience of a manual.
That said, in traffic, its a blessing!
So for a dedicated track car, it will definitely improve your times, but saps some of the fun. In the end it comes down to which is more important.
so to recap:
SMG/DSG type systems:
+computer controls shifting = perfect shift every time.
+no power loss due to torque converter
+can be placed in fully automatic mode
+adjustable settings for shift speed/etc
-removes a bit of involvement on an open road/track
what is really interesting about the SMG box used on the BMW M3 is that it is the SAME gearbox as the manual, except with additional 20~pounds of solenoids and computers to control it.
mabye they can make a hybrid?
05-15-2006, 08:35 AM
#6
Thread Starter
Originally Posted by Moogle
I leave the SMG in automatic most of the time.
In truth, i needed a commuter and didn't want to by an automatic turbo or cayenne...
On the track it definitely makes things very fast and reliable - always perfectly matched downshifts/etc.
However, it does take something away from the experience of a manual.
That said, in traffic, its a blessing!
what is really interesting about the SMG box used on the BMW M3 is that it is the SAME gearbox as the manual, except with additional 20~pounds of solenoids and computers to control it.
mabye they can make a hybrid?
In truth, i needed a commuter and didn't want to by an automatic turbo or cayenne...
On the track it definitely makes things very fast and reliable - always perfectly matched downshifts/etc.
However, it does take something away from the experience of a manual.
That said, in traffic, its a blessing!
what is really interesting about the SMG box used on the BMW M3 is that it is the SAME gearbox as the manual, except with additional 20~pounds of solenoids and computers to control it.
mabye they can make a hybrid?
I love a good heal/toe shift. That said, I really like the paddles on the track and I'm interested to see what Porsche does.
I've got to take the Pcar in to the dealer for a couple of things and I'll try to snag a DSG as a loaner.
