View Poll Results: What safety equipment do you use?
Nomex Suit/gloves
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52.83%
Nomex Underwear / Hood
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26.42%
Harness
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41
77.36%
Qualified race seat or back brace
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36
67.92%
Fire Suppression
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41.51%
Independent Pre-track Inspection
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58.49%
Ambulance service at private track day
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45.28%
Hans device (or similar)
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6
11.32%
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Let's talk safety, what are you using? (poll)
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Originally Posted by macfly
For how little I use my GT3 on the road that would be a gret idea for me, but it is just soooo hard getting things registered for the road here.
But McFly, given how much you use it on the track vs. the street, why wouldn't you be willing to just buy a GT3Cup and trailer it to the track? Then you wouldn't need to have it registered. No problem importing one solely for track use.
The reason this doesn't work in Europe is that often track-day vehicles need to be street legal and to use the Nürburgring on tourist days also requires a registered car. Getting a GT3Cup registered is a back-door way of getting a track car onto the Nürburgring during the tourist sessions. It really isn’t suitable for the street unless you make major changes to the suspension set-up of the car and that would defeat the original purpose.
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AW - What makes you think the Tequipment stainless steel roll bar is too weak to handle a roll-over? Since it is supplied by Porsche, I am quite confident it is adequate for the task. I can't see them putting their name on something which was second rate ....
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Bob:
I don't know the TRUTH of the matter, but its been rather prolifically circulated that the Tequipment rollbar is considered inferior to other choices
mabye it has something to do with the fact that it isnt allowed in competition, even in porsche's own cup series
alot of people i've talked to consider the porsche rollbar more 'show' than functional 'go'
but i'm sure it works...
I don't know the TRUTH of the matter, but its been rather prolifically circulated that the Tequipment rollbar is considered inferior to other choices
mabye it has something to do with the fact that it isnt allowed in competition, even in porsche's own cup series
alot of people i've talked to consider the porsche rollbar more 'show' than functional 'go'
but i'm sure it works...
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Moogle - It seems that a lot of people like to second guess the factory engineers. Nameless people spread disinformation via the net. I am deeply suspicious of this sort of info. Of course the Tequipment roll bar is not accepted in racing - which calls for a roll cage. That hardly suggests that a tequipment bar will not prevent the roof from collapsing.
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Originally Posted by Bob Rouleau
Moogle - It seems that a lot of people like to second guess the factory engineers. Nameless people spread disinformation via the net. I am deeply suspicious of this sort of info. Of course the Tequipment roll bar is not accepted in racing - which calls for a roll cage. That hardly suggests that a tequipment bar will not prevent the roof from collapsing.
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Stephen,
I don't try to compare a bolt in roll bar with a welded in cage. If I was racing the car I'd go with a cage - besides I would be obliged to have a cage. The nice thing about the Tequipment bar is that it is bolt in. A welded in cage like the RS might have a significant impact on re-sale depending on the customer.
The reason I have the bar in the first place is because I use harnesses. I have seen the results of a roll-over in a 996 and the roof collapsed, pressing down on the passenger side head-rest. That's not a problem with the 3 point belts your body can and will move out of the way. Wearing a harness, being held bolt upright, things could get ugly. That's why I refuse to wear a harness attached to a harness bar which does not provide roll-over protection. So in a student's car with a harness bar, I wear the 3 point OEM belts.
What ticked me off in this thread is the "widely circulated knowledge that the Tequipment bar is ..."; By whom? In what context? To say that a full roll-cage is safer than a roll bar? Well duh! On the other hand a roll cage is known to be a hazard if you are not wearing a helmet and they are illegal on street driven cars in most jurisdictions for that reason.
The Clubsport kit from Porsche is a well engineered system. The GT3 seats are designed to prevent any impact with the roll bar - making it safe for street driving without a helmet. The roll bar makes the use of the 6 point harness safe. All nicely thought out.
The RS cage with removable front bars is very nice but requires welding in the mounts. Will that make the car less attractive to a future buyer?
It's all about intelligent compromise isn't it?
I don't try to compare a bolt in roll bar with a welded in cage. If I was racing the car I'd go with a cage - besides I would be obliged to have a cage. The nice thing about the Tequipment bar is that it is bolt in. A welded in cage like the RS might have a significant impact on re-sale depending on the customer.
The reason I have the bar in the first place is because I use harnesses. I have seen the results of a roll-over in a 996 and the roof collapsed, pressing down on the passenger side head-rest. That's not a problem with the 3 point belts your body can and will move out of the way. Wearing a harness, being held bolt upright, things could get ugly. That's why I refuse to wear a harness attached to a harness bar which does not provide roll-over protection. So in a student's car with a harness bar, I wear the 3 point OEM belts.
What ticked me off in this thread is the "widely circulated knowledge that the Tequipment bar is ..."; By whom? In what context? To say that a full roll-cage is safer than a roll bar? Well duh! On the other hand a roll cage is known to be a hazard if you are not wearing a helmet and they are illegal on street driven cars in most jurisdictions for that reason.
The Clubsport kit from Porsche is a well engineered system. The GT3 seats are designed to prevent any impact with the roll bar - making it safe for street driving without a helmet. The roll bar makes the use of the 6 point harness safe. All nicely thought out.
The RS cage with removable front bars is very nice but requires welding in the mounts. Will that make the car less attractive to a future buyer?
It's all about intelligent compromise isn't it?
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> AW - What makes you think the Tequipment stainless steel roll bar is too weak to handle a roll-over?
Its thickness is smaller than a usual bar. It is bolted to seat belt mounts, not welded to suspension towers and our local cage expert call it a piece of jewelry... I have no idea if it will sustain a rollover, however, I'm sure that mounting the 6 points to the seat is unsafe.
> can't see them putting their name on something which was second rate ....
Well, after the PCCB situation, I don't know if that's true.
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Its thickness is smaller than a usual bar. It is bolted to seat belt mounts, not welded to suspension towers and our local cage expert call it a piece of jewelry... I have no idea if it will sustain a rollover, however, I'm sure that mounting the 6 points to the seat is unsafe.
> can't see them putting their name on something which was second rate ....
Well, after the PCCB situation, I don't know if that's true.
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AW - and the motivation of the local cage guy is not open to question? Yes the bar uses smaller tubing than some (but not all cages). It is stainless steel as opposed to mild steel. It is bolted to very secure locations. A real cage would add chassis stiffness - a plus. Now, would you have full cage welded into you new 100,000 dollar GT3? As I said it is a matter of intelligent compromise. As to the PCCB you're right they occasionally make a mistake. On the other hand if a roll bar collapses in a roll over the consequential litigation would be much more costly than a brake rotor don't you think? I've had a few "cage experts" point out the fact that a full welded in cage with spec tubing (many are not) anchored to one foot square plates welded to the underside of the chassis would provide more protection. Well, duh! Would I do it? No way. I'd devalue my car horribly and with a full cage render it useless to even drive to the track. The point is whether the Tequipment roll bar with its cross bracing etc. is good enough. I am confident that it is, and until a qualified engineer tells me it isn't, I will avoid dissing it based on the opinion of a guy who is handy with a tubing bender and a torch.
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FWIW, In my dedicated Track car ( the '91 C2) I use everything except the Nomex underware, Oh I do use the socks ![Smilie](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
Looking at the poll, I don't see much use of head/neck Restraints, Not Good! IMHO
My GT-3 has only a fire extingwisher and 1- Track day.
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Looking at the poll, I don't see much use of head/neck Restraints, Not Good! IMHO
My GT-3 has only a fire extingwisher and 1- Track day.
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Originally Posted by Bob Rouleau
I don't try to compare a bolt in roll bar with a welded in cage.
On the street GT3RS, the front portion is bolt-in and when fully installed it is FIA approved.
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Bob,
I'm glad you find it sufficient. And I really hope it is. However, I'm still concerned about mixing a somewhat weaker rollbar with a rather very heavy car.
I completely understand your point regarding value... However, I think Porsche legal exposure regarding accidents with the rollbar or PCCB is the same. Someone could drive toward a wall really fast when PCCB fail. (when the pad material separates from the backing).
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I'm glad you find it sufficient. And I really hope it is. However, I'm still concerned about mixing a somewhat weaker rollbar with a rather very heavy car.
I completely understand your point regarding value... However, I think Porsche legal exposure regarding accidents with the rollbar or PCCB is the same. Someone could drive toward a wall really fast when PCCB fail. (when the pad material separates from the backing).
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Stephen - Sadly we don't get the GT3RS here. Adding that cage to our GT3s requires welding bits to the car and perhaps diminishing the resale value.
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