Making a 912 out of 996
02-23-2017, 10:13 AM
#17
If you want the 911 detuned perhaps......
- have the ECU tuned to take some power out
- lower the rev limiter
- smaller low performance tires
If you want the focus on driving I'd also go for the radio delete.
- have the ECU tuned to take some power out
- lower the rev limiter
- smaller low performance tires
If you want the focus on driving I'd also go for the radio delete.
02-23-2017, 10:53 AM
#18
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I think when all is said and done, you will exceed that 10K figure. Plus all the hassle. There's plenty of decent Caymans (Caymani?) out there for much less than an equivalent 996.
Or, get a Boxster, get the hard top for it, and put in a cage. I think these are better options than what you are proposing.
Or.... get him a Miata and cage it.
Or, get a Boxster, get the hard top for it, and put in a cage. I think these are better options than what you are proposing.
Or.... get him a Miata and cage it.
02-23-2017, 10:59 AM
#19
So here is likely a stupid question but let me first explain my motivation. I have a teenage son who is starting to drive but I want him to learn to drive a manual and then track with me. However, I also want a detuned 911 to protect him with a roof (so boxster is not an option). So what I have started to think about is maybe buying a 996 with blown engine and installing a boxster engine in its place. Is this doable and if so what would I need to do? Or more importantly...is this just plain stupid?
Thoughts?
Thoughts?
02-23-2017, 11:58 AM
#20
So here is likely a stupid question but let me first explain my motivation. I have a teenage son who is starting to drive but I want him to learn to drive a manual and then track with me. However, I also want a detuned 911 to protect him with a roof (so boxster is not an option). So what I have started to think about is maybe buying a 996 with blown engine and installing a boxster engine in its place. Is this doable and if so what would I need to do? Or more importantly...is this just plain stupid?
Thoughts?
Thoughts?
I'm thinking something like a BMW 3-series, Audi A4 or S4, VW GTI, etc. etc. I have 3 friends that all track 10-year-old GTIs and they are as fast as half the 911s out there anyway; it's about car control, reliability, and safety at this point. Any of the cars above can be purchased cheaply and enjoyed on day 1, without having to undergo some complicated process to try to achieve the correct power level. Spend the money on helmets, harnesses, brakes, and tires. They also serve as safe, practical everyday cars with back seats and trunks.
02-23-2017, 01:03 PM
#21
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A 996 with a 986 engine is still plenty fast to kill yourself.
Buy a stock vehicle (like a Mitsubishi Eclipse, which looks fast but accelerates like a Buick) and spend the extra money on a performance driving school. This will help make your kid realize that there are places where it's appropriate to go fast and (hopefully) make him realize that fast on the streets isn't a great idea. If he spins (or the class you choose has a skid pad), he will also get to understand that once you push the car too hard, you become a passenger, which is also adequate to kill yourself regardless of which engine is in the car.
Advice you didn't ask for and probably don't want: If I'd had a car as fast as my Boxster when I was a teenager, I would very likely have killed myself. I was one of the most "responsible" kids around, but I still had several accidents, a couple of which could have been fatal if I'd been in a smaller or faster car. There's no substitute for age and experience; the reason kids get in trouble with cars is a combination of youthful exuberance, a lack of experience, and an inability to see potential consequences before acting. I still suck at these, but I'm better than I was at 16...
James Dean's 550 only made about 110HP. True, the 550 didn't have a roof. Or airbags. Or even a 3-point belt. But you get the idea.
Buy a stock vehicle (like a Mitsubishi Eclipse, which looks fast but accelerates like a Buick) and spend the extra money on a performance driving school. This will help make your kid realize that there are places where it's appropriate to go fast and (hopefully) make him realize that fast on the streets isn't a great idea. If he spins (or the class you choose has a skid pad), he will also get to understand that once you push the car too hard, you become a passenger, which is also adequate to kill yourself regardless of which engine is in the car.
Advice you didn't ask for and probably don't want: If I'd had a car as fast as my Boxster when I was a teenager, I would very likely have killed myself. I was one of the most "responsible" kids around, but I still had several accidents, a couple of which could have been fatal if I'd been in a smaller or faster car. There's no substitute for age and experience; the reason kids get in trouble with cars is a combination of youthful exuberance, a lack of experience, and an inability to see potential consequences before acting. I still suck at these, but I'm better than I was at 16...
James Dean's 550 only made about 110HP. True, the 550 didn't have a roof. Or airbags. Or even a 3-point belt. But you get the idea.
02-23-2017, 01:15 PM
#24
When my son was approaching driving age he was eyeing my '68 MGB, that I'd had for 23 years. There was no way I was letting him have that as a new driver. Roll bar, hardtop, or not. I considered a used Miata (much better brakes and reliability) but decided on a beater Firebird, which he was happy with.
BMW 3 series, Golf GTI, Audi A4, etc are all better choices. Plus, give him something to look forward to and not just give him the holy grail (albeit with a Boxster engine) as his first car.
BMW 3 series, Golf GTI, Audi A4, etc are all better choices. Plus, give him something to look forward to and not just give him the holy grail (albeit with a Boxster engine) as his first car.
02-23-2017, 01:20 PM
#25
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If I'd had kids, car 1 would have been a Volvo. I wound up driving an 850 when I was young and stupid and it kept me alive a few times.
02-23-2017, 01:23 PM
#26
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Your kid is a member of the Lucky Sperm Club to have a dad who is not only buying him a car, but getting him a cool car.
However, I respectfully suggest that you find a way to make him pay for it if you want to add Responsibilty 101 to the curriculum. Just sayin' you are not doing him a favor by tossing keys at him so he expects the same treatment from everybody else as he grows up.
I grew up in Ft Lauderdale and attended private school (not by choice - the hot chicks were in the public schools) amongst rich kids who had everything handed to them. They kept a few bodyshops and law firms busy.
My cars were all paid for 100% by me (purchase, tires, insurance, gas, etc, etc etc) and I maintained them in cherry condition as a result. I also managed to not total them (I can think of 3 guys who trashed new cars within 1 week -and in one case, 1 day - of getting them.
However, I respectfully suggest that you find a way to make him pay for it if you want to add Responsibilty 101 to the curriculum. Just sayin' you are not doing him a favor by tossing keys at him so he expects the same treatment from everybody else as he grows up.
I grew up in Ft Lauderdale and attended private school (not by choice - the hot chicks were in the public schools) amongst rich kids who had everything handed to them. They kept a few bodyshops and law firms busy.
My cars were all paid for 100% by me (purchase, tires, insurance, gas, etc, etc etc) and I maintained them in cherry condition as a result. I also managed to not total them (I can think of 3 guys who trashed new cars within 1 week -and in one case, 1 day - of getting them.
02-23-2017, 01:26 PM
#27
2nd that. My first car had 78 (yes, it's a 2-digit number) horsepower, front-wheel-drive, and a 4-speed manual. I still slid it around corners, raced my friends, and generally drove like an idiot. I consumed a set of tires in 7000 miles, having never touched a racetrack, autocross, or anything else that should actually use up tires that fast. Several years later when I got an E30 with 170 horsepower I thought it was unbelievably powerful. If I'd started out in a car with 200+ hp it's a virtual certainty I would have lost control of it. It's just a question of what, or who, I would have run into.
02-23-2017, 01:53 PM
#29
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2nd that. My first car had 78 (yes, it's a 2-digit number) horsepower, front-wheel-drive, and a 4-speed manual. I still slid it around corners, raced my friends, and generally drove like an idiot. I consumed a set of tires in 7000 miles, having never touched a racetrack, autocross, or anything else that should actually use up tires that fast. Several years later when I got an E30 with 170 horsepower I thought it was unbelievably powerful. If I'd started out in a car with 200+ hp it's a virtual certainty I would have lost control of it. It's just a question of what, or who, I would have run into.
Some parents want do cool things for their kids, which is commendable. Assuming that just because a kid is responsible for his age means he's able to reason like an adult and will not wind up in trouble or injured is not.
02-23-2017, 02:00 PM
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You know your kid best and if he's suited for this. If he was anything like me, I'd suggest you treat the first car as a throwaway. Good luck. Either way I think you got some lucky kids.
BTW, depending on where you live, you want want to consider if you're going to be able to pass emissions with a swap (e.g. CA).
EDIT: I think there are things out there that track location and driving behaviors.
BTW, depending on where you live, you want want to consider if you're going to be able to pass emissions with a swap (e.g. CA).
EDIT: I think there are things out there that track location and driving behaviors.