Steering wheel shudder at speed
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Steering wheel shudder at speed
so I'm getting some wheel shudder when I hit over around 70-75 mph. I have a 2000 c2 18 in wheels 225/40 front 265/35 rear. It seems to be worse when I let off for accelerator and isn't as bad when under power. So i did some looking and seems there can be a combination of 3 causes (
1) all tires were at 36 psi after a warm up. Door panel says 36 front 44 rear.. I should follow the door panel right?
2) front tires are very worn. Almost at wear bars... need to replace asap
3) I didn't really notice till I really looked... and here's where it gets interesting but the tires are different. Front worn tires are both pirelli Rosso
back tire is pirelli p zero nero and another tire is pirelli all season plus. Both back tires have lots of tread...
i just bought the car last week (I know I missed some details) but fingers crossed there isn't a bent wheel or something. I obviously change two front tires but what would you do?
just swap all 4 tires to a uniform type? Change 3 to p zero Nero?
Its kind of a strange situation hence my reaching out to your Porscheofiles
1) all tires were at 36 psi after a warm up. Door panel says 36 front 44 rear.. I should follow the door panel right?
2) front tires are very worn. Almost at wear bars... need to replace asap
3) I didn't really notice till I really looked... and here's where it gets interesting but the tires are different. Front worn tires are both pirelli Rosso
back tire is pirelli p zero nero and another tire is pirelli all season plus. Both back tires have lots of tread...
i just bought the car last week (I know I missed some details) but fingers crossed there isn't a bent wheel or something. I obviously change two front tires but what would you do?
just swap all 4 tires to a uniform type? Change 3 to p zero Nero?
Its kind of a strange situation hence my reaching out to your Porscheofiles
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Bump steer(not tramlining) is usually caused by worn parts in the front end.
Mileage?
Front wheel offset?
Past road conditions driven on?
Wheel balance(shake) on smooth roads?
Mileage?
Front wheel offset?
Past road conditions driven on?
Wheel balance(shake) on smooth roads?
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Bad tires will do that.
Buy 4 new tires from a reputable shop. That way they'll be balanced correctly. If necessary get an alignment.
Its likely not a bent wheel. Good luck.
Buy 4 new tires from a reputable shop. That way they'll be balanced correctly. If necessary get an alignment.
Its likely not a bent wheel. Good luck.
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no offset
not sure... car has been babied it seems from low miles. Lived in Texas for a while.
No shake on smooth roads. It's kinda intermittent and only noticeable as described...roads do seem to have a small factor
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I don't think you understand what wheel offset is. But if they are stock wheels, that's ok.
Get it up in the air, and have a suspension savvy guy look it over for worn bits before you blow a few thou on new stuff. Unless you would just prefer throwing money without diagnosing.
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I don't think you understand what wheel offset is. But if they are stock wheels, that's ok.
Get it up in the air, and have a suspension savvy guy look it over for worn bits before you blow a few thou on new stuff. Unless you would just prefer throwing money without diagnosing.
Get it up in the air, and have a suspension savvy guy look it over for worn bits before you blow a few thou on new stuff. Unless you would just prefer throwing money without diagnosing.
I imagine tires would cost me about 800-1k. The car is old but not many miles. I think it has been maintained but maybe not quite up to stuff. Would worn suspension components happen over time regardless if mileage?
Seems like front tires need replacement regardless. If the back two were the same tire I would just replace fronts with what the rears are but they aren't... I guess I'll have it looked over and will also need 4 new tires...
man these cars are money pits but not as bad as a boat 😂
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I think tires will likely solve your problem. Even without vibration, from what you describe about the state of the current tires, I would change them ASAP.
Not sure you would have that much wear on the fronts with the stated mileage, especially since they weren't the originals. What kind of records came with the car?
And yes, get the rear tire pressures up to 44psi!
Not sure you would have that much wear on the fronts with the stated mileage, especially since they weren't the originals. What kind of records came with the car?
And yes, get the rear tire pressures up to 44psi!
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I think tires will likely solve your problem. Even without vibration, from what you describe about the state of the current tires, I would change them ASAP.
Not sure you would have that much wear on the fronts with the stated mileage, especially since they weren't the originals. What kind of records came with the car?
And yes, get the rear tire pressures up to 44psi!
Not sure you would have that much wear on the fronts with the stated mileage, especially since they weren't the originals. What kind of records came with the car?
And yes, get the rear tire pressures up to 44psi!
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Let's review. You have a car with no driving or mx history. It's at 37k miles(presumably). You have very worn front tires. You have no problem with smooth road vibration, but you do have a problem with bump steer.
Does this sound kosher to you? What perchance would cause front tires in a rear engine car to wear down at 37k miles?
Are you possibly confusing cause with effect?
Does this sound kosher to you? What perchance would cause front tires in a rear engine car to wear down at 37k miles?
Are you possibly confusing cause with effect?
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Let's review. You have a car with no driving or mx history. It's at 37k miles(presumably). You have very worn front tires. You have no problem with smooth road vibration, but you do have a problem with bump steer.
Does this sound kosher to you? What perchance would cause front tires in a rear engine car to wear down at 37k miles?
Are you possibly confusing cause with effect?
Does this sound kosher to you? What perchance would cause front tires in a rear engine car to wear down at 37k miles?
Are you possibly confusing cause with effect?
I inflated rear tires to proper PSI (they were at 36 all around before) and it seems to have helped. I will have to take it out on the higway tomorrow to really know for sure.
Mileage checks out via car fax. I trust the seller. I don't think a console was swapped out etc and condition of car reflects low mileage.
I just pushed the car to a highish speed and she feels really good. This vibration thing doesnt mean the sky is falling. In fact the car runs really well... as others have suggested likely swapping out all tires will help significantly but I'm not naive enough to think that the car probably needs a fair amount of preventative maintenance items performed.
I don't know if what I'm describing is bump steer per say as the movement of the wheel doesn't cause a change in steering direction if that makes any sense... in any case new tires are in order and even if that fixes it ill still have all maintenance items that need addressing done. Thanks for your input and sorry for any frustration I've caused. I'm quite new to Porsche and as you can tell I'm not a gear head or tinkerer at all
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I know everyone wants to always jump the gun around here, but the OP said the front tires were worn, and if the car sat for a long time, likely 4 flat spots as well. Sounds like they weren't inflated to the proper PSI as well.
He should start with replacing the tires/balanced because he has to do it anyway. If that doesn't solve the problem, then he should look elsewhere.
Not knowing much about these cars isn't a crime, but walking into a shop with little knowledge and having them assess your suspension could result in one...
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Seriously Doc? I'm lucky to get 15k miles from my front tires. Replaced the OEM Michelin P's at 15k. No tracking or harsh driving.
I know everyone wants to always jump the gun around here, but the OP said the front tires were worn, and if the car sat for a long time, likely 4 flat spots as well. Sounds like they weren't inflated to the proper PSI as well.
He should start with replacing the tires/balanced because he has to do it anyway. If that doesn't solve the problem, then he should look elsewhere.
Not knowing much about these cars isn't a crime, but walking into a shop with little knowledge and having them assess your suspension could result in one...
I know everyone wants to always jump the gun around here, but the OP said the front tires were worn, and if the car sat for a long time, likely 4 flat spots as well. Sounds like they weren't inflated to the proper PSI as well.
He should start with replacing the tires/balanced because he has to do it anyway. If that doesn't solve the problem, then he should look elsewhere.
Not knowing much about these cars isn't a crime, but walking into a shop with little knowledge and having them assess your suspension could result in one...
thanks man. Anyway I'm biting the bullet and bringing her into a "porche specialist" to get tires (going with pilot super sport A/S 3+) and going to get the IMSB done along with a thorough evaluation and subsequent replacement of any components that needs it (coils, oil/air serperator, water pump, etc etc etc) gonna hit the wallet a bit but then she'll be all set for a glorious spring