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im curious... which was the selling point for you... the 15 mph reduction in top speed because of the drag or the terminal understeer because of the terminal aero imbalance ?
I'm not sure who you are, but Vandersmith is a very beneficial member on this forum and also tracks his car frequently and provides wealth of knowledge. You can't simply state without knowing the angle of attack of the wing or other modifications to the car, that it going to cause terminal understeer. All wings can be set up differently and can be combined with other aero pieces and or modifications to make the car work... also, some people just strictly appreciate the look/styling.
On the street this is complete overkill and serves no purpose which can be said for a lot of what we share & debate on rennlist.
On the track I think this could perform but probably not much more than my current GT2 wing so it is somewhat of a cosmetic purchase.
When I installed my GT2 wing it was only truly beneficial above 80mph which happens to be perfect for Turn 1 at both of my favorite tracks and a few other sections. Without a counter aero front lip/splitter, the car lifts tremendously - I ran over my turbo lip mid-day and had to run 4 sessions with no front aero which taught me quite a bit.
I'm at the track pretty often and thats really been the goal for my car. Building a track performer that can keep up with newer models in the right hands and be driven home at the end of the day. I did so many track days last year they gave me a friggin job. Volunteering of course but I'm happy to support the PCA community in exchange for a free lunch and more seat time.
This wing would be balanced out with one of Joe Toth's 2-piece front splitters (already in my garage) which are fantastic by the way:
Last edited by vandersmith; 01-21-2017 at 04:15 PM.
This is my solid post GT2RS (style) wing. Works really well - in fact, I'm picking up my POC 2016 class championship award this evening at the Porsche Experience Center in LA.
im curious... which was the selling point for you... the 15 mph reduction in top speed because of the drag or the terminal understeer because of the terminal aero imbalance ?
Pretty sure I don't lose 15 mph, and absolutely sure no terminal understeer...
hp loss is a cubed function of drag at speed and downforce is linearto speed and angle of attack. if that wing makes ZERO df if is costing you roughly 40 hp in drag at 100 mph ( and you were stupid to put it on ) and if you put any angle of attack in and make any downforce with it, that will get much much worse. and if you hung that on the back and got no understeer then your mechanical chassis balance was so bad before its hardly worth discussing. this is the kind of vopodoo nonsense and mythology that these track cars promote. suddenly the laws of physics don't apply and all the VERY basic set up considerations that anyone that has a clue what they are doing are out the window. I will say with simple authority that if you bolted that thing on your car and it neither went slower in a straight line by a significant amount and didn't start to understeer like a pig at speed then you are the slowest and least sensitive individual to ever sit behind a steering wheel.
Won the championship, smartass - what did you win?!?! Go away, loser!!
Damn. After some research I think I found a critical flaw in this plan.
The 3rd brake light panel on the C4S appears to be welded to the engine bay panels. I don't see a clear way to remove it without extensive work. Its also raised somewhat whereas on the Turbos its one smooth piece as the Turbo 3rd brake light is on the wing/tail itself. Something you wouldn't notice unless you were looking for it.
Rats. Would look really strange having two 3rd brake lights, one on the panel and one on the wing.
I came across this and cannot seem to not want to get my hands on one. Necessary? Absolutely not. Awesome? Definitely.
There are only four providers that I can identify, CariD, Getty (more of a cup wing), Wicked Motors, and DirectCarToys.
$3-4k seems absolutely insane to me but I guess thats the going rate.
A PCA acquaintance here in Orlando spent $6000, all in, for a Techart wing on an Orange 991.2 It does look great, better than expected after seeding only pictures.
It's hard to think of a wing on a Porsche that I didn't love.
01-21-2017, 01:30 PM
GT3RS Style Wing Anyone?
