First 911: 2002 996 C4 Cab
07-15-2016, 05:37 PM
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First 911: 2002 996 C4 Cab
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I've been lurking for several months as I searched for a 996 to replace my 1999 Boxster, and a couple of months ago I found one on Craigslist which I thought I'd share. It's a 2002 C4 Cab with 40K miles, Arctic Silver with Metropole Blue interior, Advanced Technical Package, Short Shift added, Fabspeed "Level 1" sport exhaust (about which Ive been unable to find any info online), Fabspeed cold air intake, Roock Modular 18" alloy wheels, factory carbon fiber/aluminum steering wheel/shifter/parking brake handle, Pioneer Avic-z110bt head unit and amp, 3m clear bra, new tires, water pump etc.., good service history since 2005, and in near perfect condition in and out. A PPI which I had done at Irvine European in Lake Forest CA found one missing exhaust bracket bolt and one running light out, but otherwise no issues (including looking for evidence of IMS issues). Based on advice from a knowledgeable friend, I had them run a compression check and leakdown test; the compression check showed 190 on all cylinders, and the leak down test showed 2% on all cylinders.
I paid $27,000, which I understand might be a bit high. However, the options, excellent, low miles, condition and service records were much better than the others I saw in my price range. Also, I owned the Boxster for 12 years and plan to own this one for quite awhile, so I figured a few extra grand wasn’t a big deal.
The car was advertised as having "Euro Sport suspension", but I’ve yet to see any records or other indication of it. My local Porsche mechanic said that the shocks are Bilsteins and the black springs could be stock. Springs have a few painted dots on them which I assume were used for calibration(?).
Again this car replaced my 1999 Boxster with 65K miles. The differences were more profound than I expected: the Boxster feels like a very light and nimble go-kart in comparison as others have noted. The C4 by comparison feels heavier, fully planted, brutally powerful and torquey, solid, and dead serious. The word "beast" comes to mind often when driving it. The increase in power actually scared me a few times during the first few weeks of driving it, and of course now I’m addicted to it.
Arctic silver wasn’t my first choice (same color as my Boxster was); I like it fine but Seal Grey would have been my first choice. Metro[pole Blue wasn’t my first choice of interior color (Savannah or brown would have been preferable), but Its grown on my and I like it now. Sure beats the hell out of the light grey interior which I had in the Boxster and which I don’t think works. I was a bit disappointed by the faded-looking carpet which you can see in one of the photos. The car was claimed to always have been garaged (and the condition definitely bears this out), so I’m curious if this carpet fading is a common issue.
The Roock wheels are fine (and good quality from what I understand), but I’d prefer good 18” OEM wheels (although not twists). I’m open to trades if anyone’s interested.
Regarding the IMS, after endless researching, this seems to affect a very small minority of cars, with the vast majority of replacements seemingly unnecessary judging from the condition of the factory bearing. I may consider it when it's time to replace the clutch, but then again I may not.
After owning the car for a couple of months now, I like it more than ever, far more than any car I’ve owned. I think the refined and well-proportioned body design looks far better than anything in it’s class, especially overwrought and unnecessarily-complicated designs such as the Corvette and even some BMWs. The performance is pretty staggering – big grins and elevated heart rates all around.
I read this forum compulsively every night, and have learned a lot from you folks. Looking forward to enjoying my 996 for years to come, and reading about all your experiences.
Cheers, Brad
I've been lurking for several months as I searched for a 996 to replace my 1999 Boxster, and a couple of months ago I found one on Craigslist which I thought I'd share. It's a 2002 C4 Cab with 40K miles, Arctic Silver with Metropole Blue interior, Advanced Technical Package, Short Shift added, Fabspeed "Level 1" sport exhaust (about which Ive been unable to find any info online), Fabspeed cold air intake, Roock Modular 18" alloy wheels, factory carbon fiber/aluminum steering wheel/shifter/parking brake handle, Pioneer Avic-z110bt head unit and amp, 3m clear bra, new tires, water pump etc.., good service history since 2005, and in near perfect condition in and out. A PPI which I had done at Irvine European in Lake Forest CA found one missing exhaust bracket bolt and one running light out, but otherwise no issues (including looking for evidence of IMS issues). Based on advice from a knowledgeable friend, I had them run a compression check and leakdown test; the compression check showed 190 on all cylinders, and the leak down test showed 2% on all cylinders.
I paid $27,000, which I understand might be a bit high. However, the options, excellent, low miles, condition and service records were much better than the others I saw in my price range. Also, I owned the Boxster for 12 years and plan to own this one for quite awhile, so I figured a few extra grand wasn’t a big deal.
The car was advertised as having "Euro Sport suspension", but I’ve yet to see any records or other indication of it. My local Porsche mechanic said that the shocks are Bilsteins and the black springs could be stock. Springs have a few painted dots on them which I assume were used for calibration(?).
Again this car replaced my 1999 Boxster with 65K miles. The differences were more profound than I expected: the Boxster feels like a very light and nimble go-kart in comparison as others have noted. The C4 by comparison feels heavier, fully planted, brutally powerful and torquey, solid, and dead serious. The word "beast" comes to mind often when driving it. The increase in power actually scared me a few times during the first few weeks of driving it, and of course now I’m addicted to it.
Arctic silver wasn’t my first choice (same color as my Boxster was); I like it fine but Seal Grey would have been my first choice. Metro[pole Blue wasn’t my first choice of interior color (Savannah or brown would have been preferable), but Its grown on my and I like it now. Sure beats the hell out of the light grey interior which I had in the Boxster and which I don’t think works. I was a bit disappointed by the faded-looking carpet which you can see in one of the photos. The car was claimed to always have been garaged (and the condition definitely bears this out), so I’m curious if this carpet fading is a common issue.
The Roock wheels are fine (and good quality from what I understand), but I’d prefer good 18” OEM wheels (although not twists). I’m open to trades if anyone’s interested.
Regarding the IMS, after endless researching, this seems to affect a very small minority of cars, with the vast majority of replacements seemingly unnecessary judging from the condition of the factory bearing. I may consider it when it's time to replace the clutch, but then again I may not.
After owning the car for a couple of months now, I like it more than ever, far more than any car I’ve owned. I think the refined and well-proportioned body design looks far better than anything in it’s class, especially overwrought and unnecessarily-complicated designs such as the Corvette and even some BMWs. The performance is pretty staggering – big grins and elevated heart rates all around.
I read this forum compulsively every night, and have learned a lot from you folks. Looking forward to enjoying my 996 for years to come, and reading about all your experiences.
Cheers, Brad
07-16-2016, 12:06 PM
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I really like the look of your wheels too. Sport suspension on the 996 usually means option M030, and Euro usually means ROW (rest of the world) - which lowers the car. Your car doesn't look lowered though.
Funny, I also thought of the 996 as a "beast" when comparing it to my Boxster.
It's a great car. Enjoy it! Hope you have lots of trouble free adventures.
Funny, I also thought of the 996 as a "beast" when comparing it to my Boxster.
It's a great car. Enjoy it! Hope you have lots of trouble free adventures.
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07-16-2016, 01:57 PM
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I don't think $27k is over paying for a well sorted lower mileage 2nd gen. 996. But for that money it should have come with a upgraded IMS. Yes I know your chances of an issue are around 8-10% but if someone handed you a revolver that holds ten rounds and only one of them had a bullet in it. You wouldn't put it to your temple and squeeze the trigger. Get that IMS taken care of ASAP.
07-17-2016, 02:17 AM
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Beautiful car to enjoy in CA, cruising with the top down. I'll second that you may want to think about addressing your IMS in the not too distant future, perhaps with a clutch service. If nothing else, I just considered it a wear item and it is worth the peace of mind to have it investigated.
My car is Midnight Blue Metallic on Savannah Beige but also has Metropole Blue carpet and soft top. My carpet appears much darker blue so perhaps some significant fading has occurred with yours over the years. Not sure what materials are used in Porsche carpet but nylon can be re-dyed quite successfully if that's what it's made of.
Enjoy your ride and I'll nod as I pass you in a week or so when we drive south to San Diego and work our way back up the coast to Vancouver.
My car is Midnight Blue Metallic on Savannah Beige but also has Metropole Blue carpet and soft top. My carpet appears much darker blue so perhaps some significant fading has occurred with yours over the years. Not sure what materials are used in Porsche carpet but nylon can be re-dyed quite successfully if that's what it's made of.
Enjoy your ride and I'll nod as I pass you in a week or so when we drive south to San Diego and work our way back up the coast to Vancouver.
07-18-2016, 09:07 AM
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Great looking car. Was just at the Sawdust festival and drove PCH all the way home to the So Bay. I have 99 C4 Cab triple black. Its a great ride enjoy the heck out of it.
07-18-2016, 10:54 AM
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Nicely done. Looks tasty, and you'll enjoy no top in SoCal.
1. Did you get the hardtop for it?
2. Yes, those paint dots on the springs are for the tuned suspension.
3. Open the frunk, look on the lid near the latch at the front and find your option sticker. There are three digit codes at the bottom that tell you what options you have. Check for 030 which is sport suspension and 20mm lower ride. Post or pic them here, and we'll let you know.
4. Since this is an 'all electric' version, make sure you know how to get into the engine bay, and frunk in the case of a complete batt failure. I think the instructions are in your owners book.
1. Did you get the hardtop for it?
2. Yes, those paint dots on the springs are for the tuned suspension.
3. Open the frunk, look on the lid near the latch at the front and find your option sticker. There are three digit codes at the bottom that tell you what options you have. Check for 030 which is sport suspension and 20mm lower ride. Post or pic them here, and we'll let you know.
4. Since this is an 'all electric' version, make sure you know how to get into the engine bay, and frunk in the case of a complete batt failure. I think the instructions are in your owners book.
07-18-2016, 02:26 PM
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Hey Brad,
Beautiful car! I don't think you got a bad deal for a low miles 996 cabriolet. Heck, the last owner probably spent $1500 - $2000 alone upgrading the sound system to the double DIN HU that offers navigation, Bluetooth phone, Sat radio, etc etc
Don't sweat the carpet fade, happens to most cabs over time, but I'd probably look for some OEM style wheels like the five spoke Carrera II or III... Or even some modern Turbo Twists. IMHO
As far as the IMS, I'd make plans for replacement during the next clutch change. Again, IMHO.
Go out and enjoy it! And, don't drink "it's going to die any minute" Kool Aid.
Beautiful car! I don't think you got a bad deal for a low miles 996 cabriolet. Heck, the last owner probably spent $1500 - $2000 alone upgrading the sound system to the double DIN HU that offers navigation, Bluetooth phone, Sat radio, etc etc
Don't sweat the carpet fade, happens to most cabs over time, but I'd probably look for some OEM style wheels like the five spoke Carrera II or III... Or even some modern Turbo Twists. IMHO
As far as the IMS, I'd make plans for replacement during the next clutch change. Again, IMHO.
Go out and enjoy it! And, don't drink "it's going to die any minute" Kool Aid.
07-18-2016, 04:01 PM
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Hey guys, thanks for the feedback. A few notes:
On the fading carpet, I'm wondering if it came from the factory that way (much lighter than the leather etc..), or if the carpet originally more closely matched the rest of the dark blue interior. If it's the latter, I may consider getting the carpet dyed if it can be done well.
b3freak, Good point about the value of the stereo, not to mention the other upgrades. I'm a music junkie, so no doubt I would have spent a few bucks on a great stereo if one hadn't already been installed. Also totally agree on the Carrera II or III wheels. At some point I will probably replace the existing Roock Competitions with an OEM product. I usually figure that Stuttgart knows better than I do, so I’m into keeping the car OEM. If the intake and exhaust hadn't already been modified when I got the car, I probably would have left them alone.
docmirror: It did not come with the hardtop, which is only a minor disappointment as the weather here tends to be pretty sunny. As my mechanic put it "if you put the hardtop on, you'll never put the top down" which sounds valid. I don't have the original sale documents so I'm not sure whether the original owner specifically ordered it without the hardtop.
docmirror: I've attached a couple of pics I just snapped of a front spring and shock; I wonder if you or anyone can tell if this looks stock or modified…
Docmirror: Here’s a copy of the option code sticker. I’ve already decoded nearly everything as follows:
L92u
Arctic Silver Metallic
ew
Metropol Blue Leather Comfort Seats
226
Internal production code related to tyres
265
Automatic anti-dazzle interior mirror and rain sensor
266
Automatic anti-dazzle door mirrors
288
Headlamp washer
340
Seat heating, right
411
18" Carrera 5-spoke wheels
424
CD compartment
437
8-way electrical seat, left
438
8-way electrical seat, right
490
Sound system Harmann analog
537
Seat memory, left
551
Wind deflector
601
Litronic (xenon) headlamps
696
CD-radio Becker Porsche CDR-220
762
Market launch dealer car (from a batch of similarly configured
936
Leather rear seats
983
Leather front seats
9991
Exclusive Manufacture - special (usually handmade) options, "the car was ordered by the customer, he could pick anything he wanted and the order is sent to Germany to be filled." [I hear that this 9991 code may also mean "end of codes", any thoughts on this?]
C02
USA (not California) Car or Catalytic Converter
xpd
Carbon 3-spoke steering wheel
x47
Carbon gear lever ****
x58
Carbon handbrake lever
139
Seat heating, left
162
#N/A
162-0264 USM
Importer Code or Sort Code
996 610
Carrera 4 Cabriolet
m9603-682
Engine Type
G9631-10
Transmission Number / Gearbox Code
162
#N/A
264
#N/A
Judging from this it looks like it was delivered with stock suspension.
Any comments are welcome, thanks again for the kind words. Even while snapping those pics right now, it was tough to resist going for a drive in the beast.
Brad
On the fading carpet, I'm wondering if it came from the factory that way (much lighter than the leather etc..), or if the carpet originally more closely matched the rest of the dark blue interior. If it's the latter, I may consider getting the carpet dyed if it can be done well.
b3freak, Good point about the value of the stereo, not to mention the other upgrades. I'm a music junkie, so no doubt I would have spent a few bucks on a great stereo if one hadn't already been installed. Also totally agree on the Carrera II or III wheels. At some point I will probably replace the existing Roock Competitions with an OEM product. I usually figure that Stuttgart knows better than I do, so I’m into keeping the car OEM. If the intake and exhaust hadn't already been modified when I got the car, I probably would have left them alone.
docmirror: It did not come with the hardtop, which is only a minor disappointment as the weather here tends to be pretty sunny. As my mechanic put it "if you put the hardtop on, you'll never put the top down" which sounds valid. I don't have the original sale documents so I'm not sure whether the original owner specifically ordered it without the hardtop.
docmirror: I've attached a couple of pics I just snapped of a front spring and shock; I wonder if you or anyone can tell if this looks stock or modified…
Docmirror: Here’s a copy of the option code sticker. I’ve already decoded nearly everything as follows:
L92u
Arctic Silver Metallic
ew
Metropol Blue Leather Comfort Seats
226
Internal production code related to tyres
265
Automatic anti-dazzle interior mirror and rain sensor
266
Automatic anti-dazzle door mirrors
288
Headlamp washer
340
Seat heating, right
411
18" Carrera 5-spoke wheels
424
CD compartment
437
8-way electrical seat, left
438
8-way electrical seat, right
490
Sound system Harmann analog
537
Seat memory, left
551
Wind deflector
601
Litronic (xenon) headlamps
696
CD-radio Becker Porsche CDR-220
762
Market launch dealer car (from a batch of similarly configured
936
Leather rear seats
983
Leather front seats
9991
Exclusive Manufacture - special (usually handmade) options, "the car was ordered by the customer, he could pick anything he wanted and the order is sent to Germany to be filled." [I hear that this 9991 code may also mean "end of codes", any thoughts on this?]
C02
USA (not California) Car or Catalytic Converter
xpd
Carbon 3-spoke steering wheel
x47
Carbon gear lever ****
x58
Carbon handbrake lever
139
Seat heating, left
162
#N/A
162-0264 USM
Importer Code or Sort Code
996 610
Carrera 4 Cabriolet
m9603-682
Engine Type
G9631-10
Transmission Number / Gearbox Code
162
#N/A
264
#N/A
Judging from this it looks like it was delivered with stock suspension.
Any comments are welcome, thanks again for the kind words. Even while snapping those pics right now, it was tough to resist going for a drive in the beast.
Brad
