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Old 04-28-2016, 12:28 PM
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AOS is the air/oil separator. It's the Porsche equivalent of a $2 PCV valve - but much larger, more expensive, and difficult to replace.

I wholeheartedly disagree with buying a car that has already had some kind of IMS retrofit. Buy the cleanest, least molested (i.e. as close to bone stock as possible) and do with it what you want. There are two reasons to do the IMS retrofit: preventive maintenance and in response to a failing or failed bearing - and sellers don't have any problem claiming it was done as PM regardless of whether or not it's true.
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http://www.autofarm.co.uk/pdf/Total911_July06.pdf

http://www.pistonheads.com/features/...ng-guide/30277

http://www.ferdinandmagazine.com/por...1-buyers-guide

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/mo...d-buyers-guide

http://www.revolution-porsche.co.uk/...rs-guide-look/

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Old 04-28-2016, 01:01 PM
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Thanks Slacker for the explanation of the AOS. And I agree with you on the IMS do it while the car is yours because then you know!
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Originally Posted by 5CHN3LL
AOS is the air/oil separator. It's the Porsche equivalent of a $2 PCV valve - but much larger, more expensive, and difficult to replace. .
What he said. The AOS goes bad, mixes coolant with the oil, and causes catastrophic engine failure. (Search for intermix)

There are a lot of different opinions on these engines and a lot of people that know way more than I do. But Flat Six Innovations recommended to me to change the water pump and AOS every 3 years, regardless of mileage and my retrofit IMS every 5 years or 70k miles. There are plenty of people that don't agree with this but none of them seem to have anywhere near the experience that FSI has. So while I'm learning something, I try and figure out who the smartest person I can find is (and they are brilliant) and then just do what they tell me until proven otherwise.
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Originally Posted by 5CHN3LL
I wholeheartedly disagree with buying a car that has already had some kind of IMS retrofit.
That's an interesting thought 5CHN3LL... I'd like to learn more about why you suggest this. Simply for expanding my worldview and own eye-opening edification.
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Originally Posted by DoubleNutz
That's an interesting thought 5CHN3LL... I'd like to learn more about why you suggest this. Simply for expanding my worldview and own eye-opening edification.
There have been cases of people finding out their bearing was failing, slapping in a retrofit, and then pawning it off on a sucker (via CarMax is the most popular option).

If the swap wasn't done by a shop the buyer can trust then you just don't know the state the motor is in and going in and proactively changing it anyway might not make it clear.

I would amend Schnelly's view to include retrofits done by certified installers as being OK too.
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Ahhhhh, IC... those are indeed reasonable arguments, I have never considered.

OK thanks for the heads-up view there. Something to consider and look deeper into when conducting a PM for both myself and on behalf of others.

Originally Posted by gnat
There have been cases of people finding out their bearing was failing, slapping in a retrofit, and then pawning it off on a sucker (via CarMax is the most popular option).

If the swap wasn't done by a shop the buyer can trust then you just don't know the state the motor is in and going in and proactively changing it anyway might not make it clear.

I would amend Schnelly's view to include retrofits done by certified installers as being OK too.
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In fact there was a recent thread of a bearing failure where the new owner had a receipt for a bearing that was never installed. It was not a case of an intentional screwing, but highlights the unknowns of someone else doing the swap.
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Originally Posted by gnat
In fact there was a recent thread of a bearing failure where the new owner had a receipt for a bearing that was never installed. It was not a case of an intentional screwing, but highlights the unknowns of someone else doing the swap.
WOW!!! That's just jack'd up... for real!
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Read this www.imsretrofit.com
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Originally Posted by porsche951
Thanks for the link share...

I actually read that on LN's site years ago before I had my IMS replaced... not that I needed it but I had a thrust bearing liberate itself and when I replaced my engine I had the IMS replaced (by a qualified indy). The IMS I removed was in perfect condition, but I chose to have LN's put in anyway, in addition to Jakes IMS Guardian.

I should mention that my 996 frame has 140k on the clock and the replacement M96 powerplant a bit less than 50K
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Just fyi, that site has been updated recently.

Originally Posted by DoubleNutz
Thanks for the link share...

I actually read that on LN's site years ago before I had my IMS replaced... not that I needed it but I had a thrust bearing liberate itself and when I replaced my engine I had the IMS replaced (by a qualified indy). The IMS I removed was in perfect condition, but I chose to have LN's put in anyway, in addition to Jakes IMS Guardian.
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I mean this one
http://imsretrofit.com/ims-101/


Originally Posted by Ahsai
Just fyi, that site has been updated recently.



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