Re-formulated Gas
09-23-2015, 09:49 AM
#17
Instructor
Thread Starter
This has nothing to do with octane boost.
This is a product that helps neutralize the ethanol in the crap re-formulted gas.
Not very hard to understand!!!
This is a product that helps neutralize the ethanol in the crap re-formulted gas.
Not very hard to understand!!!
09-23-2015, 11:10 AM
#18
Race Director
Furthermore it can't contribute to the gasoline's octane number which means the engine is operating on less octane that the nominal octane number of the gasoline before the additive was used.
There is no need to use any additive in attempt to deal with some imagined negatives regarding ethanal in gasoline.
While I am not a fan of ethanol for a number of reasons in the amount it is present in pump gasoline -- around 7% to 8% -- it is as far as the engine concerned pretty benign.
Save your money and stop using that stuff.
09-23-2015, 01:01 PM
#19
And then there is the very funny story of the sorry, young fellow who posted on one of the forums (BMW, I think..?) of pouring a bottle of NOS booster into his gas tank, followed shortly after by his car running horrible. Desperate, he started a thread looking to others for help. After many questions he realized he purchased NOS energy drink and not the fuel additive.
Edit: oops, just searched, it was a motorcycle forum, and 5chnell already mentioned it.
Edit: oops, just searched, it was a motorcycle forum, and 5chnell already mentioned it.
09-23-2015, 02:35 PM
#20
Rennlist Member
That's not a very good solution if it indeeds does what you say. The additive turns the ethanal into something well neutral which means it can't contribute any energy in the combustion process.
Furthermore it can't contribute to the gasoline's octane number which means the engine is operating on less octane that the nominal octane number of the gasoline before the additive was used.
There is no need to use any additive in attempt to deal with some imagined negatives regarding ethanal in gasoline.
While I am not a fan of ethanol for a number of reasons in the amount it is present in pump gasoline -- around 7% to 8% -- it is as far as the engine concerned pretty benign.
Furthermore it can't contribute to the gasoline's octane number which means the engine is operating on less octane that the nominal octane number of the gasoline before the additive was used.
There is no need to use any additive in attempt to deal with some imagined negatives regarding ethanal in gasoline.
While I am not a fan of ethanol for a number of reasons in the amount it is present in pump gasoline -- around 7% to 8% -- it is as far as the engine concerned pretty benign.
However I don't think that it neutralizes the ethanol as there would be no benefit in doing that as Macster points out.
Ethanol does no harm when it is consumed in our modern engines, and it actually increases the octane level of fuel which is probably it's only real benefit.
Ethanol does attract water and if fuel sits unused for an extended period of time in a tank, especially if the tank is exposed to the atmosphere at all, water may accumulate in the fuel.
If Star Tron deals with this water accumulation, then it would be a benefit for those specific situations where there is a water concern.
At best, I believe this type of product should be used only if there is a specific problem that you are trying to address.
09-23-2015, 02:39 PM
#21
Race Director
If the stuff is an enzyme-based cocktail, what reaction does the ethanol undergo? What is the product of the enzymatic digestion of the ethanol? (and if you don't know, why TF would you put it in your gas?)
Your original post (which had nothing to do with the subject, helpfully) mentions a product with a website that contains zero useful information about why you'd dump this crap into your gas. I guess it's harder for us to understand with no context and really no useful information in the OP or on the product's site.
Be sure to seafoam your car as well...
Your original post (which had nothing to do with the subject, helpfully) mentions a product with a website that contains zero useful information about why you'd dump this crap into your gas. I guess it's harder for us to understand with no context and really no useful information in the OP or on the product's site.
Be sure to seafoam your car as well...
09-23-2015, 06:36 PM
#24
Instructor
Thread Starter
We obviously have some basic difference on what ethanol does or doesn't do.
So with that being said I would like to say, I at least made you think about ethanol and additives.
Lets just end it with out anymore energy drinks or seafoam remarks (by the way I would never use either one).
So with that being said I would like to say, I at least made you think about ethanol and additives.
Lets just end it with out anymore energy drinks or seafoam remarks (by the way I would never use either one).
09-23-2015, 07:11 PM
#25
Three Wheelin'
We obviously have some basic difference on what ethanol does or doesn't do.
So with that being said I would like to say, I at least made you think about ethanol and additives.
Lets just end it with out anymore energy drinks or seafoam remarks (by the way I would never use either one).
So with that being said I would like to say, I at least made you think about ethanol and additives.
Lets just end it with out anymore energy drinks or seafoam remarks (by the way I would never use either one).
09-23-2015, 07:17 PM
#26
Rennlist Member
09-23-2015, 07:39 PM
#27
Three Wheelin'
Re-formulated Gas
Ethanol required my lawn tractor, trimmer, pressure washer and blower to all have to be rebuilt. I know, I should have used an additive made to solve that. But I trusted the corn. I loved the corn. Roasted corn, buttered corn, corn nibblets and the awesome candy corn.
I am now scorned on the corn. Corn is stupid.
I am now scorned on the corn. Corn is stupid.
09-23-2015, 09:32 PM
#28
Race Director
We obviously have some basic difference on what ethanol does or doesn't do.
So with that being said I would like to say, I at least made you think about ethanol and additives.
Lets just end it with out anymore energy drinks or seafoam remarks (by the way I would never use either one).
So with that being said I would like to say, I at least made you think about ethanol and additives.
Lets just end it with out anymore energy drinks or seafoam remarks (by the way I would never use either one).
My 2002 Boxster has been using the stuff since at least 2004 (and probably before but I can't recall now if gasoline in the mid-west had ethanol in it or not when I lived there) and now has just over 294K miles. The fuel pump lasted to 172K miles the injectors are original as is the rest of the fuel system.
My 996 Turbo has 137K miles on it and it has been on CA ethanol treated fuel since Day 1. The engine is just fine as is the fuel system.
Adding something to the fuel tank that its maker claims "neutralizes" ethanol is, well, completely unnecessary.
The only fuel additive I would recommend someone use -- given the right circumstances and symptoms -- is Techron.
09-23-2015, 10:58 PM
#29
Drifting
Ethanol required my lawn tractor, trimmer, pressure washer and blower to all have to be rebuilt. I know, I should have used an additive made to solve that. But I trusted the corn. I loved the corn. Roasted corn, buttered corn, corn nibblets and the awesome candy corn.
I am now scorned on the corn. Corn is stupid.
I am now scorned on the corn. Corn is stupid.
09-24-2015, 02:45 AM
#30
Race Director
We obviously have some basic difference on what ethanol does or doesn't do. So with that being said I would like to say, I at least made you think about ethanol and additives. Lets just end it with out anymore energy drinks or seafoam remarks (by the way I would never use either one).
This thread is now useful. No charge.