911 carrera blue

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phil996cab99

Excellent all of the above, and thanks.

My current tire sizes are 18", 225 front, 265 rear, so I see what you mean.
I'll try the late turn-in. I think I'm doing early turn-in.

Re: tire cost, that is a concern. So, how do you guys have fun in these corners and not wear out tires?

LexVan

There is no free lunch.

kromdom

+996 ....best advice so far.

996FLT6

Find a safer place to do such a thing like lotta runout. If u run out of road ..... **** happens!!!. Mike

Sneaky Pete

Can't agree more with the consensus on all described. Learn how to drive the car safely on the track. It is safer that public roads. You will learn about weight transfer....hard on the brakes = weight on the front and better steering....patience thru the corner and power out of it throwing the weight of the car to the rear tires. Brake in straight line and shift in a straight line.

phil996cab99

That's cool.

I think it'll be amply rewarding for me to learn how to take those corners efficiently and reliably, if only to shake off would-be tailgaters.

I love this car's ability to avoid those congestion packs on the freeway.

911 carrera blue

If you track your car, that comes with an expense, tires are the cheapest thing you have to be concerned, I've seem transmissions break into pieces, cars against the contention wall, overheating and the list goes on and I'm talking in a safe and control environment, were you have lots of road to compensate for errors, full pit crew and emergency medical services ready. As I'm new here but I have friends who own Porsches they tell me they are great machines that you can track and used them as your daily driver tires and frequent oil changes are part of the budget.

KarlRSeeger

I teach High Performance Driving at a racing school here in Seattle...

1) GO to a car control clinic
2) Get the first Ross Bentley "Speed Secrets" book, read it from cover to cover, then STUDY it
3) GO to an Autocross or find a BIG empty parking lot and try stuff or wait until it snows/rains and go back to that parking lot and try again (things will happen MUCH slower with the lesser grip)
4) DON'T spend money on suspension changes, tires and brakes UNTIL you are ready for them
5) For GODS sake DO NOT TURN OFF PSM UNTIL YOU ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING!!!!!

sfv_rider

As a motorcyclist, people of any type who are driving in a way that may cause them to cross the center line into oncoming traffic (either through speeding or inattention) leads to very many rider fatalities.

The minor mishap that the driver experiences, with some vehicle damage, often leaves the rider with serious injuries or worse. This disproportionate outcome scenario applies to bicyclists or pedestrians, as well.

Applying racing doctrine on the street can be far worse for others than for the driver out "entertaining".

I'm no "speed kills" nanny. But there's a time and a place for everything, and pressing this hard on the street is ill advised.

Macster

You won't shake off tailgaters. In fact the odds are better the tailgater will post a video of your car fishtailing all over the road as you over correct then end up in the ditch or hedgerow.

sjfehr

+997 on this. Trying to find the limit of traction of your car on public streets is a great way to put yourself into a ditch, tree, or oncoming traffic. Practice your car control at an autocross or performance driver school; once you've learned the techniques, it's easy to put that to practice on the street. The best way to take a 90 is less about raw speed than driving line and weight transfer.

garrett376

What if there are two drivers, one heading out for the morning hot-******* in their 911, and another heading home from hot-******* and they both end up at the same 90 degree corner at the same time going opposite directions, both thinking they will clip the corner apex at the same time according to their new found Rennlist research...

Odds?

My technique recommendation? Drive the speed limit and stay in your lane, paying attention to what you're doing. Let the tailgater pass you. And hopefully I'm not the one coming the opposite direction... and if I am I hope I'm in the Cayenne.

5CHN3LL

In later 911 models (like the 996), much of the car's natural tendency to oversteer has been engineered out. It takes more aggressive inputs to get the rear end to start rotating - so it's easy to overdo it when trying to get the rear to slide and can leave you in a situation that's really hard to recover from.

I think it's worth reiterating that practicing to get the rear end loose should happen somewhere big, empty, and safe.

Kalashnikov

+1 on taking it to the track.

If your 996 starts over-steering on you, there is 95% chance that you are not saving it. 996's under-steer is big safety buffer built into the car; if you pushed the car into over-steer, you better be a very good driver.

Handling dynamic of the 996 in the over-steer situation is very different from the F-R car. So be very careful when you are testing the limits.