New Guy thinking of 996
11-28-2013, 04:31 PM
#32
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There is no difference between 02 and 04s except an 02 will be cheaper to upgrade to a decent stereo. 02s are better in my book if both are the same condition. Buy condition of the car and not MY. Difference between a 9 and 7 year old car is in maintenance records and owner upkeep.
11-28-2013, 04:49 PM
#33
Instructor
Thread Starter
There is no difference between 02 and 04s except an 02 will be cheaper to upgrade to a decent stereo. 02s are better in my book if both are the same condition. Buy condition of the car and not MY. Difference between a 9 and 7 year old car is in maintenance records and owner upkeep.
11-28-2013, 08:26 PM
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11-28-2013, 08:31 PM
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See Item #6 in Post #9. I seriously doubt you will find anything more specific than that.
The link in Roadsessions's post above (#26) is a great one too.
Whatever you do, do NOT buy one with orange side markers. It's abundantly obvious that anyone with such a monstrosity on the road is so clueless that they probably never changed the oil, drove at the wrong RPMs, and generally abused the car. That's the best tip you can get about buying a 996. Orange side markers = automatic pass on that car.
The link in Roadsessions's post above (#26) is a great one too.
Whatever you do, do NOT buy one with orange side markers. It's abundantly obvious that anyone with such a monstrosity on the road is so clueless that they probably never changed the oil, drove at the wrong RPMs, and generally abused the car. That's the best tip you can get about buying a 996. Orange side markers = automatic pass on that car.
BTW I have the guys on this forum and 6speed on line forums and youtube to thanks for most if not all of my DIY maintenance.
11-29-2013, 01:00 AM
#36
Instructor
Hey Mark-
I'm new to the forum and also in the market for a new toy. Can't decide between a 996 or 997. Also considering a 993 but they seem to be red hot in terms of price these days.
Been reading about the IMS issues and agree with lots of comments about the issue being made to sound way worse and way more common than it actually is.
Can't really help you with the decision as I'm working out the same decision in my mind but would like to hear from others on there thoughts about the 996 vs. 997 as I see you were also considering a 997.
I'm new to the forum and also in the market for a new toy. Can't decide between a 996 or 997. Also considering a 993 but they seem to be red hot in terms of price these days.
Been reading about the IMS issues and agree with lots of comments about the issue being made to sound way worse and way more common than it actually is.
Can't really help you with the decision as I'm working out the same decision in my mind but would like to hear from others on there thoughts about the 996 vs. 997 as I see you were also considering a 997.
11-29-2013, 01:30 AM
#37
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It's not like 993's are problem free... Replacing valve guides every 50-70K miles is a heck of a lot more expensive than changing the IMSB every time you do the clutch.
It's pretty absurd how much negative attention the IMSB gets. Every generation of 911 so far has has the potential for costly engine issues, the M96 is IMHO much less expensive of an engine to own/maintain than any previous 911.
It's pretty absurd how much negative attention the IMSB gets. Every generation of 911 so far has has the potential for costly engine issues, the M96 is IMHO much less expensive of an engine to own/maintain than any previous 911.
11-29-2013, 08:12 AM
#38
Three Wheelin'
Hey Mark-
I'm new to the forum and also in the market for a new toy. Can't decide between a 996 or 997. Also considering a 993 but they seem to be red hot in terms of price these days.
Been reading about the IMS issues and agree with lots of comments about the issue being made to sound way worse and way more common than it actually is.
Can't really help you with the decision as I'm working out the same decision in my mind but would like to hear from others on there thoughts about the 996 vs. 997 as I see you were also considering a 997.
I'm new to the forum and also in the market for a new toy. Can't decide between a 996 or 997. Also considering a 993 but they seem to be red hot in terms of price these days.
Been reading about the IMS issues and agree with lots of comments about the issue being made to sound way worse and way more common than it actually is.
Can't really help you with the decision as I'm working out the same decision in my mind but would like to hear from others on there thoughts about the 996 vs. 997 as I see you were also considering a 997.
So go with the one that fits your budget and taste
11-29-2013, 08:47 AM
#39
Race Director
Just buy a clean, documented 996 or 997, do a ppi including inspecting the oil pan and filter for metal particles, do 5K oil changes again looking for metal in the filter, and don't sweat replacing the IMS until you need a clutch or see metal.
The IMSB is way, way, way overhyped of an issue. Personally I think it's crazy to just 'automatically' replace the IMSB on a car that doesn't otherwise need the tranny dropped.
The IMSB is way, way, way overhyped of an issue. Personally I think it's crazy to just 'automatically' replace the IMSB on a car that doesn't otherwise need the tranny dropped.
11-29-2013, 10:56 PM
#40
Instructor
Thread Starter
Thanks again guys. Another question geared toward the 4s. Is there much more maintenance surrounding a 4s vs. the Carrera. I plan on doing as much as I can myself as far as regular maintenance but I am sure there are some proprietary tools required for some items.
11-30-2013, 04:40 AM
#41
The IMSB is way, way, way overhyped of an issue. Personally I think it's crazy to just 'automatically' replace the IMSB on a car that doesn't otherwise need the tranny dropped.
11-30-2013, 12:01 PM
#42
Instructor
That said, what's so hard about changing the clutch, IMS, RMS and water pump after buying the car? Just add $3-4k cost to the car in your mind, and then have peace of mind.
If you can't afford $3-4k in costs, you shouldn't buy a Porsche to begin with.
11-30-2013, 01:14 PM
#43
Instructor
Thread Starter
I agree. There wouldn't be a legal settlement if it weren't an issue.
That said, what's so hard about changing the clutch, IMS, RMS and water pump after buying the car? Just add $3-4k cost to the car in your mind, and then have peace of mind.
If you can't afford $3-4k in costs, you shouldn't buy a Porsche to begin with.
That said, what's so hard about changing the clutch, IMS, RMS and water pump after buying the car? Just add $3-4k cost to the car in your mind, and then have peace of mind.
If you can't afford $3-4k in costs, you shouldn't buy a Porsche to begin with.
11-30-2013, 02:53 PM
#44
If you go on any car forum, there will always be one or two of those issues that will never die. In this case it's magnified due to the costs involved.
For me personally every time the IMS comes up, I'm reminded of this scene for some reason...
11-30-2013, 06:48 PM
#45
Rennlist Member
Originally Posted by alpine003
...you can subscribe to the 5-10% non risk taking crowd, the living room trophy conversion crowd, or the drive it and enjoy it crowd...
Color me Cat III. I don't suggest ignoring the issue, just monitoring the situation and not overreacting to it.