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Old Aug 1, 2013 | 04:02 AM
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You might drop Harry from HarrysLapTimer an email or drop in on his product forums... I don't know if you've seen his iPhone app, but it is a super cool track timer/video capture system and also reads OBD PID info for overlay on the videos...

On his forums there was discussion about getting additional Porsche specific PID info, what data was available in the datastream, etc. He might be willing to share what he learned for a non-competing product.
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Old Aug 1, 2013 | 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Doug996InKC
I'm an Android Software Engineer with Garmin. Although I did not work on the Garmin Mechanic app, I could probably track down the electrical engineers that worked with the OBDII spec, and using my vehicle, see if we could find where in the stream, the info for the overrevs, etc. are. Were you thinking about writing an app from scratch? Perhaps I could talk w/ some folks to see if some new features could be added to the app (it's been over a year since the last update). Kicker is, the bluetooth protocol, for communicating the data from the Bluetooth device, to the Android device, is proprietary, so that means purchasing Garmin's Bluetooth OBDII dongle. But hey, it could be a win/win for both parties.

The views expressed herein are my own and do not necessarily represent the views of Garmin International or any other individual.
Hi Doug, no I'm not writing this from scratch. I'm using the EngineLink app for IPhone. EngineLink takes a user generated input parameter file for non-generic (factory) parameter IDs. This would be a GOOD THING to add to the Garmin app (I have no relationship with the EngineLink developer.)

I think I've got mis-fires worked out (mode 6 data.) Still looking for over-revs and airbag light.
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Old Aug 1, 2013 | 03:45 PM
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I'll be interested in this info as well. I use Torque (Android app) which let's you enter any PID you want to query and a formula as well to interprete the returned value I think. Never tried it yet.
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Old Aug 1, 2013 | 04:59 PM
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On 1996 and later vehicles, you can tell which protocol is used by examining the OBD II connector:
J1850 VPW --The connector should have metallic contacts in pins 2, 4, 5, and 16, but not 10.
ISO 9141-2/KWP2000 --The connector should have metallic contacts in pins 4, 5, 7, 15, and 16.
J1850 PWM --The connector should have metallic contacts in pins 2, 4, 5, 10, and 16.
CAN --The connector should have metallic contacts in pins 4, 5, 6, 14 and 16.

source: http://www.obdii.com/connector.html

Can someone confirm 996 is using protocol ISO 9141-2 ?
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Old Aug 1, 2013 | 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Doug996InKC
On 1996 and later vehicles, you can tell which protocol is used by examining the OBD II connector:
J1850 VPW --The connector should have metallic contacts in pins 2, 4, 5, and 16, but not 10.
ISO 9141-2/KWP2000 --The connector should have metallic contacts in pins 4, 5, 7, 15, and 16.
J1850 PWM --The connector should have metallic contacts in pins 2, 4, 5, 10, and 16.
CAN --The connector should have metallic contacts in pins 4, 5, 6, 14 and 16.

source: http://www.obdii.com/connector.html

Can someone confirm 996 is using protocol ISO 9141-2 ?
Yes, it does.

I think LordVicious is looking for the PID and formula definitions specific to Porshce similar to this link for Prius http://priuschat.com/threads/gen2-pr...ormulas.95370/

Once we build this spreadsheet, Torque and EngineLink could just import the spreadsheet.
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Old Aug 2, 2013 | 10:47 AM
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That's exactly right Ahsai. Unfortunately it looks like the software cannot deal with mode 6 yet. The Prius guys were kind enough to provide much of the electrical system information via mode 21 which is non-standard but works exactly like mode 1/2 (given correct ECU header offsets etc.) The Porsche guys have not been so, uhm, I'll use the word "industrious."
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Old Aug 12, 2013 | 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Doug996InKC
On 1996 and later vehicles, you can tell which protocol is used by examining the OBD II connector:
J1850 VPW --The connector should have metallic contacts in pins 2, 4, 5, and 16, but not 10.
ISO 9141-2/KWP2000 --The connector should have metallic contacts in pins 4, 5, 7, 15, and 16.
J1850 PWM --The connector should have metallic contacts in pins 2, 4, 5, 10, and 16.
CAN --The connector should have metallic contacts in pins 4, 5, 6, 14 and 16.

source: http://www.obdii.com/connector.html

Can someone confirm 996 is using protocol ISO 9141-2 ?
Porsche also uses pin 3 as the second K-line to communicate with all modules except the DME, which uses the regular K-line on pin 7. See here. So I think we are out of luck with ABS/Airbag stuff etc. using the regular OBDII cable which don't use pin 3 but may still have some hope on getting DME non-OBDII real-tmie values from pin 7 (e.g., oil temp).....*IF* Porsche uses similar protocol to retrieve those. However, it's not clear to me Porsche uses OBDII-like protocol to retrieve those info on the K-line on pin 7.
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Old Aug 16, 2013 | 09:38 AM
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Ex-Developer over here... Two thumbs up for using the Torque App rather than developing something new... Torque seems to be the most popular App for this stuff.
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