Now Scared of IMS Failure
11-02-2011, 06:06 PM
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Well worth the investment.
http://www.flat6innovations.com/shop...roductid=16285
Plenty of threads from Flat 6 on here during development and release of the product. You guys should get one and then you can sleep at night.
http://www.flat6innovations.com/shop...roductid=16285
Plenty of threads from Flat 6 on here during development and release of the product. You guys should get one and then you can sleep at night.
11-03-2011, 01:29 AM
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"Hey, I'm Mark Wahlberg. You guys know me. Let's talk to some Porsches. Say hi to your mother for me, alright?"
Okay, in all seriousness, as others have suggested, you might want to look into the LNE replacement bearing and also the Flat6 Innovation's IMS Guardian. I'm not sure where you got your numbers from on the 2004s. From everything I've read/heard, the 2004 models were the "best of the bunch" because they benefited from the most updates bestowed upon the 996es...but they , still have the bearing so, who knows what that will mean in the long term. Either way, if it's going to haunt you every time you get into the car, you might want to think twice about a 996...or plan on spending extra for one of the "fixes" to ease your mind.
Best of luck in your search!
-Eric
Okay, in all seriousness, as others have suggested, you might want to look into the LNE replacement bearing and also the Flat6 Innovation's IMS Guardian. I'm not sure where you got your numbers from on the 2004s. From everything I've read/heard, the 2004 models were the "best of the bunch" because they benefited from the most updates bestowed upon the 996es...but they , still have the bearing so, who knows what that will mean in the long term. Either way, if it's going to haunt you every time you get into the car, you might want to think twice about a 996...or plan on spending extra for one of the "fixes" to ease your mind.
Best of luck in your search!
-Eric
11-03-2011, 02:00 AM
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If you decide that the LN Eng retrofit is a must have, make sure your m96 is a candidate before you buy. Not all m96 are eligible for the retrofit, some will require full R&R and tear down to replace the bearing. Keep in mind that the retrofit is good maintenance, but is not a cure for the inadequate lubrication designed into the m96 IMS system.
If the possibility of a $20,000 engine repair is a show stopper I'd avoid cars having MSRP of $90,000+. Unfortunately repair costs do not scale as the resale value falls.
If the possibility of a $20,000 engine repair is a show stopper I'd avoid cars having MSRP of $90,000+. Unfortunately repair costs do not scale as the resale value falls.
11-03-2011, 05:44 PM
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Dang it...late the party. I have a cigar waiting for you Ed. This topic just drains me. I have said before and I will say it again...we need a separate forum for this thing. Big fan of the cowbell too.
11-03-2011, 10:20 PM
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I have decided to get the 2 year / 24000 mile warranty from Fidelity. Dealer said it will cover the engine and IMS failure. It is backed at Porsche dealers and seems to cover everything except normal wear items. I agree with the other posters about putting the $400 cost of the guardian towards IMS bearing replacement. Frequent oil changes, magnetic drain plug, exam of filter, and warranty should put my mind at ease on this.
According to the dealer IMS failure is rare and usually only seen in engines with 100,000+ miles. Not sure where they get the figures but I wont have to worry for 2 years. I also have a hard time believing its 10% of the 911's.
According to the dealer IMS failure is rare and usually only seen in engines with 100,000+ miles. Not sure where they get the figures but I wont have to worry for 2 years. I also have a hard time believing its 10% of the 911's.
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11-03-2011, 10:34 PM
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Wow! I have not been a member here very long and I'm already tired of hearing about this issue. Man, if I investigated the reliability of every vehicle I owned before buying, I'd probably ending taking a taxi everywhere. They ALL have problems of some sort. Buy something that gets you excited and drive the hell of of it. Just my two cents.
11-03-2011, 10:59 PM
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The failure rate seems alarming in the 2004's with @15000 to 40000 miles
According to the dealer IMS failure is rare and usually only seen in engines with 100,000+ miles
I was offered a Porsche backed 2 year / 24,000 mile warranty for $1800
I have decided to get the 2 year / 24000 mile warranty from Fidelity
Are these problems being exaggerated?
11-03-2011, 11:11 PM
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"Wow! I have not been a member here very long and I'm already tired of hearing about this issue. Man, if I investigated the reliability of every vehicle I owned before buying, I'd probably ending taking a taxi everywhere. They ALL have problems of some sort. Buy something that gets you excited and drive the hell of of it. Just my two cents."
Maybe Im being over cautious? I like to do extensive research before I buy vehicles but maybe its because Im a wrench turner that enjoys mechanics as a hobby? I would not have the patience to do it as a profession.
Daryl, Im taking the research advice from the 996 buyers guide so thank you forum.
Maybe Im being over cautious? I like to do extensive research before I buy vehicles but maybe its because Im a wrench turner that enjoys mechanics as a hobby? I would not have the patience to do it as a profession.
Daryl, Im taking the research advice from the 996 buyers guide so thank you forum.
11-04-2011, 03:10 AM
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I thought the c4s shared the same engine as the Turbo and does not have the IMS issue? By the way, a rebuild on a Turbo engine is roughly $28K...much higher than a standard 996...so either way, engine catastrophe will cost ya.
11-04-2011, 10:43 AM
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I have decided to get the 2 year / 24000 mile warranty from Fidelity. Dealer said it will cover the engine and IMS failure. It is backed at Porsche dealers and seems to cover everything except normal wear items. I agree with the other posters about putting the $400 cost of the guardian towards IMS bearing replacement. Frequent oil changes, magnetic drain plug, exam of filter, and warranty should put my mind at ease on this.
According to the dealer IMS failure is rare and usually only seen in engines with 100,000+ miles. Not sure where they get the figures but I wont have to worry for 2 years. I also have a hard time believing its 10% of the 911's.
According to the dealer IMS failure is rare and usually only seen in engines with 100,000+ miles. Not sure where they get the figures but I wont have to worry for 2 years. I also have a hard time believing its 10% of the 911's.
11-04-2011, 12:55 PM
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[QUOTE=Maybe Im being over cautious? I like to do extensive research before I buy vehicles but maybe its because Im a wrench turner that enjoys mechanics as a hobby? I would not have the patience to do it as a profession. [/QUOTE]
If you are a wrench turner, then the 996 is the PERFECT car for you. I have owned 4 996's and I refuse to part with my current one.
If you are a wrench turner, then the 996 is the PERFECT car for you. I have owned 4 996's and I refuse to part with my current one.
11-04-2011, 01:18 PM
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My bad...good thing I bought a Turbo. All this time, I thought the C4S was just like the Turbo in all ways except for the turbos.
I always lose at gambling, so I couldn't take the risk with the IMS, especially since I usually buy on the cheaper end of the spectrum. I would factor into the price like others have suggested and replace the bearing/seal and you should be good to go.
996 NB parts and such are much more widely available, so that is a plus.
I always lose at gambling, so I couldn't take the risk with the IMS, especially since I usually buy on the cheaper end of the spectrum. I would factor into the price like others have suggested and replace the bearing/seal and you should be good to go.
996 NB parts and such are much more widely available, so that is a plus.
11-04-2011, 10:24 PM
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