Drove a 997
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ask fergus how i changed my 944 turbo when i had it loll
i wasnt looking into buying a gt3, its just that i test drove one last week and it really didnt feel the same as the c4s.
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I had a sweet 993,drove my buddy's 996 and was doomed.
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Having driven a few 997's, most recenlty a 2010 997 Cab with PDK... It felt very sanitized, way too subdued, quiet, light, lacking emotion, and thats without commenting on the interior. It does feel Porsche is using less expensive materials to finish their interiors, especially coming from a full leather interior 996 to a regular plasticky 997 feels like a downgrade.
Of course i think of changing my car, although its tough when i love my 996 so much..
Of course i think of changing my car, although its tough when i love my 996 so much..
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I think sanitized is a good descriptor. It almost felt more like a luxury car - isolating and distant. Perhaps they have had to move in this direction as their customer base has enlarged.
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The 997 my brother in law bought last year is nice, but I like my dated interior way better! Nothing annoys me more than too many plastic accents with silver paint on them in a car's interior!
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I guess I'm going to be the exception here. Have a 2002 drove a 997 and can't stop thinking about it. yes, less raw and "connected" but the upgraded interior makes a great transition to the 21st century and less "ford tauru-ish" with all the oval shapes on the 996's interior. Don't get me wrong as I love my speed yellow+carbon fiber interior but I won't hesitate nor miss, it if I sell my car to buy a 997.
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My 911 40th Anniv. has a distinct visceral sensation and the x51 gives it enough oomph. I drove a 997S and I felt a bit more isolated - could be PASM, though my test drive wasn't extensive. I didn't feel the need at this point to put up an extra 100K to purchase a new one. I drive the 911 a few times a month and for DE's. To each his/her own.
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If I had the choice (and the money) I will have all generations for sure ![ooops](https://rennlist.com/forums/graemlins/icon501.gif)
I think each one has its own thing. I am not sure what it is but I love my 996. I owned a 997.1 and loved it. BUT the 996 seems more raw. I have not driven the 6GT3 yet but heard its an awesome track/street car (well more track). Love the lines of the 7GT3 but thats another story.
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I think each one has its own thing. I am not sure what it is but I love my 996. I owned a 997.1 and loved it. BUT the 996 seems more raw. I have not driven the 6GT3 yet but heard its an awesome track/street car (well more track). Love the lines of the 7GT3 but thats another story.
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I wonder if it has to do with mechanical honesty, so to speak. It's the same reason people go crazy over 1950s MGs and swear up and down that it's the greatest car ever. If one feels a mastery over the machine and has learned to control it well, the bonding is deeper. Sorry - getting a little metaphysical here.
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I'm old enough to understand the newest , latest, most talked about in anything is just that. Anything "just released" will only be "new" for a short time. After the newness wears off, the true atributes, if any remain and judging something on its true merits becomes a bit more straightforward.
I enjoyed my '99 996 Cab ownership for 7 wonderful years. The car was very special with a msrp of over $95K. It had over 29 options many of which were "X" from the Exclusives Programme. The interior was full leather, leather everything like I'd never seen on another.
After selling it and looking for nearly a year for a replacement, I had a chance to drive several 997s, S and Aero models included. I even passed on an awsome Rivera Blue 997 Coupe and a Yellow 997 Cab.
Frankly I had a really hard time warming up to the 997s. The interiors just look less substantial and more artificial bling. Like more rakish styling and glitz but overall cheaper materials. Looks that one would tire of quickly and await the next and newest iteration. I look at the 997s as attracting those looking for more than just the Porsche mistique.
I must say the driving experience of a 997 is a bit softer and less visceral than the 996 which is less than the 993. I'm sure the 997 is better in a few areas mechanically. I know because I have an improved clutch 997 accumulator in my 996TT.
The 996 interiors in full leather have a timeless, classy, purposeful, understated and comfortable feel. Everything is ergomomically designed, and very well thought out. It's simple, subtilely stylish and it works. To me it's like a favorite comfortable overstuffed leather wing back armchair. Once you found it and like it you become resistant to change. I felt the same way about the exterior styling but wanted the dry sump GT1 motor and it had to be a Cab. Now my only choice would be a 996 Turbo. Got it, no regrets. Just today, I was passed by a 997 Turbo on my way home from work. It was a nice looking car, funny I felt like I had something a bit better.
These are just my opinions and the way I feel. I realize most all 997 owners are very happy with their cars and find then superior to the 996s. I'm OK with that too.
I enjoyed my '99 996 Cab ownership for 7 wonderful years. The car was very special with a msrp of over $95K. It had over 29 options many of which were "X" from the Exclusives Programme. The interior was full leather, leather everything like I'd never seen on another.
After selling it and looking for nearly a year for a replacement, I had a chance to drive several 997s, S and Aero models included. I even passed on an awsome Rivera Blue 997 Coupe and a Yellow 997 Cab.
Frankly I had a really hard time warming up to the 997s. The interiors just look less substantial and more artificial bling. Like more rakish styling and glitz but overall cheaper materials. Looks that one would tire of quickly and await the next and newest iteration. I look at the 997s as attracting those looking for more than just the Porsche mistique.
I must say the driving experience of a 997 is a bit softer and less visceral than the 996 which is less than the 993. I'm sure the 997 is better in a few areas mechanically. I know because I have an improved clutch 997 accumulator in my 996TT.
The 996 interiors in full leather have a timeless, classy, purposeful, understated and comfortable feel. Everything is ergomomically designed, and very well thought out. It's simple, subtilely stylish and it works. To me it's like a favorite comfortable overstuffed leather wing back armchair. Once you found it and like it you become resistant to change. I felt the same way about the exterior styling but wanted the dry sump GT1 motor and it had to be a Cab. Now my only choice would be a 996 Turbo. Got it, no regrets. Just today, I was passed by a 997 Turbo on my way home from work. It was a nice looking car, funny I felt like I had something a bit better.
These are just my opinions and the way I feel. I realize most all 997 owners are very happy with their cars and find then superior to the 996s. I'm OK with that too.
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I have a 2003 996 C2 for which the CPO warranty is expiring. Being concerned about mechanical failures out of warranty coverage, I have been considering trading up to a 997 with another 2 year CPO warranty. Today I test-drove a 2005 C2 from a local dealer (Porsche of Westwood MA - totally cool guys and super nice) but came away wanting to keep my old car. Here are my impressions:
Interior: Materials are of more substantial and generally of higher quality, however I do not like the linear theme, with harder edges and perpendicular dash. It does not fit with the rounded, organic exterior design. I was really happy to get back into my smoother interior.
Exterior: I like the new lights and the deck over the engine. The hips are wider and more sensual.
Drive: Felt less visceral and more distant - too refined and calculated. Mine feels more intense and interactive - almost more mechanical and true. The 997 felt more Lexus-like (smoother, quieter). The exhaust note was less prominent. Steering and braking felt the same. Power felt less intense, perhaps because of the higher weight (both engines are extremely close in numbers). I also prefer the pistol grip of the 996 shifter.
Conclusion: I preferred my car. I want a sports car to be hard, loud, fast and tight. For a quiet daily commute, I have my Acura.
Interior: Materials are of more substantial and generally of higher quality, however I do not like the linear theme, with harder edges and perpendicular dash. It does not fit with the rounded, organic exterior design. I was really happy to get back into my smoother interior.
Exterior: I like the new lights and the deck over the engine. The hips are wider and more sensual.
Drive: Felt less visceral and more distant - too refined and calculated. Mine feels more intense and interactive - almost more mechanical and true. The 997 felt more Lexus-like (smoother, quieter). The exhaust note was less prominent. Steering and braking felt the same. Power felt less intense, perhaps because of the higher weight (both engines are extremely close in numbers). I also prefer the pistol grip of the 996 shifter.
Conclusion: I preferred my car. I want a sports car to be hard, loud, fast and tight. For a quiet daily commute, I have my Acura.
I drove a 2009 C2S and agree with most of what you said. It was far to Mercedes Benzish to me, but then again I would not kick one out of my garage for leaking a little oil.
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This thread is pretty funny when you realize that on the 993 board they're talking about how a 996 drives like a Lexus.
Then on the 911 board they're discussing how the 964/993 are just way too refined for their tastes.
Finally on the 356 and 914 boards they're up in arms over these "fancy" air cooled 911s running around!!!![Big Grin](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
...I guess it's all perspective.
Then on the 911 board they're discussing how the 964/993 are just way too refined for their tastes.
Finally on the 356 and 914 boards they're up in arms over these "fancy" air cooled 911s running around!!!
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...I guess it's all perspective.