P1325 Bank 2 - DIY?
#1
P1325 Bank 2 - DIY?
2002 C2. Durametric says P1325 bank 2. From researching here and through Google it seems one of the solenoids or actuators is not functioning as intended. Read a lot of threads that describe removing the valve cover to remove the solenoid, but I think that's only for the 3.4s. On a couple of threads it's been said replacing the solenoids on the variocam plus is "easier" but doesn't go into detail, so I'm guessing it can be done from outside the engine?
I had the bank 1 solenoid replaced a year ago and the service work order says only that the mufflers were removed, the solenoids switched to verify operation, and the solenoid replaced. I can do that easy enough in my garage.
I have the downloaded pdf manual but it only covers the MK1 3.4 vehicles, not the 3.6 so it's no help. Dealer wants $600 parts and labor. The part is only $150 so I could save a chunk of change if I do it myself.
Anyone here actually replaced their solenoids on a 3.6? Also, how does one make a distinction as to which solenoid is manfunctioning - the one for timing or the one for lift. Perhaps each will trip a different code? If so, which code applies to which actuator and where can I verify this without a shop manual (they're very expensive).
I had the bank 1 solenoid replaced a year ago and the service work order says only that the mufflers were removed, the solenoids switched to verify operation, and the solenoid replaced. I can do that easy enough in my garage.
I have the downloaded pdf manual but it only covers the MK1 3.4 vehicles, not the 3.6 so it's no help. Dealer wants $600 parts and labor. The part is only $150 so I could save a chunk of change if I do it myself.
Anyone here actually replaced their solenoids on a 3.6? Also, how does one make a distinction as to which solenoid is manfunctioning - the one for timing or the one for lift. Perhaps each will trip a different code? If so, which code applies to which actuator and where can I verify this without a shop manual (they're very expensive).
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#3
Thanks!
http://www.renntech.org/forums/topic..._1#entry202672
Camshaft position or camshaft adjustment - they both make changes to the camshaft position and the camshaft adjustment.
#4
Accordint to this P1325 relates to the timing advance adjustment item #23 in the diagram. Is this correct?
http://www.renntech.org/forums/topic..._fromsearch__1
Also, where can I find a copy or the exploded view for the MK2 head with a parts list in pdf. Boy, a manual suurrrree would be nice...
http://www.renntech.org/forums/topic..._fromsearch__1
Also, where can I find a copy or the exploded view for the MK2 head with a parts list in pdf. Boy, a manual suurrrree would be nice...
Last edited by sandersd; 08-31-2011 at 02:12 PM.
#5
If P1325 is the only one you are getting it does mean (as Loren pointed out)
"No triggering of the actuator, active position nevertheless.
– Short to ground
– Actuator faulty
Triggering of the actuator, no active position – Open circuit in triggering wire
– Open circuit in B+ supply
– Actuator faulty
No active or passive position is detected
– Actuator faulty"
There is a cam position sensor.
It is reporting that the camshaft is not adjusting as it should be (camshaft position).
This could be due to a fault with an actuator (camshaft adjustment).
You'll need to diagnose whether it is the wiring, the sensor, or the actuators which are causing the problem.
You could try swapping sensors and/or actuators between banks (sides of engine) to see if the codes follow. In which case you've found your problem. The actuators are easier to get at.
As richard states one solenoid is for timing the other lift.
On bank 2 (psr side), I would start with the one for timing (front of engine or rear of car), and perhaps swap it with the one on the driver side (rear of engine front of car).
It could also be the actuator for lift, which you could repeat above procedure.
Here is a thread on how variocam plus works.
https://rennlist.com/forums/996-forum/557016-how-variocam-and-variocamplus-works-a-primer.html
"No triggering of the actuator, active position nevertheless.
– Short to ground
– Actuator faulty
Triggering of the actuator, no active position – Open circuit in triggering wire
– Open circuit in B+ supply
– Actuator faulty
No active or passive position is detected
– Actuator faulty"
There is a cam position sensor.
It is reporting that the camshaft is not adjusting as it should be (camshaft position).
This could be due to a fault with an actuator (camshaft adjustment).
You'll need to diagnose whether it is the wiring, the sensor, or the actuators which are causing the problem.
You could try swapping sensors and/or actuators between banks (sides of engine) to see if the codes follow. In which case you've found your problem. The actuators are easier to get at.
As richard states one solenoid is for timing the other lift.
On bank 2 (psr side), I would start with the one for timing (front of engine or rear of car), and perhaps swap it with the one on the driver side (rear of engine front of car).
It could also be the actuator for lift, which you could repeat above procedure.
Here is a thread on how variocam plus works.
https://rennlist.com/forums/996-forum/557016-how-variocam-and-variocamplus-works-a-primer.html
#6
While the TT does have a cam advance system, it is not the same. The TT uses P/N 99610530371 or 99610530172. The systems and engines are different between the turbo and 996. They are not interchangeable. You should be looking at the 996 parts diagram.
You actually need from the 996 diagram 40 or 41 99610530104 or 99610530306 per my other post on renntech.
You actually need from the 996 diagram 40 or 41 99610530104 or 99610530306 per my other post on renntech.
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#8
If P1325 is the only one you are getting it does mean (as Loren pointed out)
"No triggering of the actuator, active position nevertheless.
– Short to ground
– Actuator faulty
Triggering of the actuator, no active position – Open circuit in triggering wire
– Open circuit in B+ supply
– Actuator faulty
No active or passive position is detected
– Actuator faulty"
There is a cam position sensor.
It is reporting that the camshaft is not adjusting as it should be (camshaft position).
This could be due to a fault with an actuator (camshaft adjustment).
You'll need to diagnose whether it is the wiring, the sensor, or the actuators which are causing the problem.
You could try swapping sensors and/or actuators between banks (sides of engine) to see if the codes follow. In which case you've found your problem. The actuators are easier to get at.
As richard states one solenoid is for timing the other lift.
On bank 2 (psr side), I would start with the one for timing (front of engine or rear of car), and perhaps swap it with the one on the driver side (rear of engine front of car).
It could also be the actuator for lift, which you could repeat above procedure.
Here is a thread on how variocam plus works.
https://rennlist.com/forums/996-forum/557016-how-variocam-and-variocamplus-works-a-primer.html
"No triggering of the actuator, active position nevertheless.
– Short to ground
– Actuator faulty
Triggering of the actuator, no active position – Open circuit in triggering wire
– Open circuit in B+ supply
– Actuator faulty
No active or passive position is detected
– Actuator faulty"
There is a cam position sensor.
It is reporting that the camshaft is not adjusting as it should be (camshaft position).
This could be due to a fault with an actuator (camshaft adjustment).
You'll need to diagnose whether it is the wiring, the sensor, or the actuators which are causing the problem.
You could try swapping sensors and/or actuators between banks (sides of engine) to see if the codes follow. In which case you've found your problem. The actuators are easier to get at.
As richard states one solenoid is for timing the other lift.
On bank 2 (psr side), I would start with the one for timing (front of engine or rear of car), and perhaps swap it with the one on the driver side (rear of engine front of car).
It could also be the actuator for lift, which you could repeat above procedure.
Here is a thread on how variocam plus works.
https://rennlist.com/forums/996-forum/557016-how-variocam-and-variocamplus-works-a-primer.html
- Technical name for lift adjustment solenoid
- Technical name for timing advance solenoid
- Which codes apply to which solenoid
Just to clarify further: when I hook up the Durametric and I receive a code, in this case P1325 on bank 2, how does one know which solenoid/actuator this code applies to. Is that written down somewhere and I just missed it. The codes are all catalogued on Renntech but I haven't seen an explanation on how to determing the above.
I'll check the Durametric help file when I get home. Sorry to be so tenacious. If the manuals weren't $1200 I'd just order a set.
#9
For a link to the part, here you go.
40 and 41 in the diagram.
http://www.autoatlanta.com/porsche-p...-05/103-11.php
I gave you the advice on how to narrow down which in that post you just quoted... to summarize again.
The code says "camshaft position is not right". I would start by swapping the timing solenoid between banks.
Go under the car, and pull out the timing solenoid on the psgr. flywheel side. It's part number will be printed on the solenoid/adjuster/actuator.
Pull the timing solenoid from the drivers side front of car (the one on that second renntech pic).
Swap them, and restart car clear the codes and then check for codes again. If the bank 1 code pops up then you know it is the actuator/solenoid/adjuster you just moved.
If that doesn't work and the code is still there after you've cleared it and got the revs up above 3000 ish on a warm car, then try swapping the lift solenoid/actuator/adjuster between banks. If the code is STILL there, you have a wiring issue, or the cam position sensor is bad (you can try swapping the CPS as well between banks. If after that you still have the problem then I would say you should have other codes present already as well.
Technical name = actuator (solenoid, adjuster, etc).
This code isn't specific to a solenoid, AFAIK.
40 and 41 in the diagram.
http://www.autoatlanta.com/porsche-p...-05/103-11.php
I gave you the advice on how to narrow down which in that post you just quoted... to summarize again.
The code says "camshaft position is not right". I would start by swapping the timing solenoid between banks.
Go under the car, and pull out the timing solenoid on the psgr. flywheel side. It's part number will be printed on the solenoid/adjuster/actuator.
Pull the timing solenoid from the drivers side front of car (the one on that second renntech pic).
Swap them, and restart car clear the codes and then check for codes again. If the bank 1 code pops up then you know it is the actuator/solenoid/adjuster you just moved.
If that doesn't work and the code is still there after you've cleared it and got the revs up above 3000 ish on a warm car, then try swapping the lift solenoid/actuator/adjuster between banks. If the code is STILL there, you have a wiring issue, or the cam position sensor is bad (you can try swapping the CPS as well between banks. If after that you still have the problem then I would say you should have other codes present already as well.
Technical name = actuator (solenoid, adjuster, etc).
This code isn't specific to a solenoid, AFAIK.
#10
For a link to the part, here you go.
40 and 41 in the diagram.
http://www.autoatlanta.com/porsche-p...-05/103-11.php
40 and 41 in the diagram.
http://www.autoatlanta.com/porsche-p...-05/103-11.php
I gave you the advice on how to narrow down which in that post you just quoted... to summarize again.
The code says "camshaft position is not right". I would start by swapping the timing solenoid between banks.
Go under the car, and pull out the timing solenoid on the psgr. flywheel side. It's part number will be printed on the solenoid/adjuster/actuator.
Pull the timing solenoid from the drivers side front of car (the one on that second renntech pic).
Swap them, and restart car clear the codes and then check for codes again. If the bank 1 code pops up then you know it is the actuator/solenoid/adjuster you just moved.
If that doesn't work and the code is still there after you've cleared it and got the revs up above 3000 ish on a warm car, then try swapping the lift solenoid/actuator/adjuster between banks. If the code is STILL there, you have a wiring issue, or the cam position sensor is bad (you can try swapping the CPS as well between banks. If after that you still have the problem then I would say you should have other codes present already as well.
Technical name = actuator (solenoid, adjuster, etc).
This code isn't specific to a solenoid, AFAIK.
The code says "camshaft position is not right". I would start by swapping the timing solenoid between banks.
Go under the car, and pull out the timing solenoid on the psgr. flywheel side. It's part number will be printed on the solenoid/adjuster/actuator.
Pull the timing solenoid from the drivers side front of car (the one on that second renntech pic).
Swap them, and restart car clear the codes and then check for codes again. If the bank 1 code pops up then you know it is the actuator/solenoid/adjuster you just moved.
If that doesn't work and the code is still there after you've cleared it and got the revs up above 3000 ish on a warm car, then try swapping the lift solenoid/actuator/adjuster between banks. If the code is STILL there, you have a wiring issue, or the cam position sensor is bad (you can try swapping the CPS as well between banks. If after that you still have the problem then I would say you should have other codes present already as well.
Technical name = actuator (solenoid, adjuster, etc).
This code isn't specific to a solenoid, AFAIK.
#12
Update
Thanks again to logray for excellent information.
I started up Durametric and realized there was an updated version, so I installed it. Now I'm current with 6.1.0.7 and must say the GUI is much improved. Bra-vo Durametric. I also printed out the help file on the color laser at work as I hate on-line help files.
After hooking up the cables and setting up the software for my model, I enabled logging and started the car. By the way it would be nice if the software would save my settings as a default so I don't have to go through setting it up each time.
I switched to actual values window and selected the cams on bank 1 and 2 to compare values as I ran the engine at various rpm. I noticed the bank 2 cam readings were similar to bank 1 when the engine speed was steady, but anytime the throttle was increased or decreased quickly it would lag behind, then catch up.
I'd love to post the log but I can't see that it saved anything but one informational screen that shows the three CEL codes - at least that's all I can see when I load the file to review it. I checked the website and the log is suppose to record all the actual values. Maybe I didn't set it up right. Anyone who knows please educate me. I also cannot find any of the log files outside of the program, meaning if I load the file from within the program, the log files appear in the Data/Html directory. But if I go through Windows 7 explorer the dated log files don't show up. Something's not right.
I pulled the car in, jacked it up and set it on the stands when I noticed a small puddle of oil under the right side. A quick investigation revealed a dead motor mount. Bummer.
I went on line to check prices and came up with $400 for RS mounts at Suncoast and $400 for Wevos. Called the dealer and spoke with a guy in parts and he didn't know what I was talking about when I said RS engine mounts. Must have been someone who just answered the phone cause the usual guy is very knowledgeable. I liked the way the Wevos looked better anyway so I ordered a pair of those.
Took off the air box and noticed the serpentine belt was cracked all around the inside. Maybe it would last a lot longer maybe it won't but I'd rather change it now than deal with it leaving me stranded. Preventative maintenance.
I plan on changing all the rubber hoses also. They're looking pretty dried out, but that'll have to wait for another payday.
In the end I ordered new actuators for bank 2 - one for the timing and one for the lift. They're only $150 each and more than worth the hassle of pulling the mufflers, swapping actuators, etc. One solenoid died last year, one now, can the others be far behind? Better I say to just replace them while I have it all apart.
Now I have to go buy a 12mm socket now to replace the one that mysteriously disappeared when my son replaced the clutch on his RX8...
I started up Durametric and realized there was an updated version, so I installed it. Now I'm current with 6.1.0.7 and must say the GUI is much improved. Bra-vo Durametric. I also printed out the help file on the color laser at work as I hate on-line help files.
After hooking up the cables and setting up the software for my model, I enabled logging and started the car. By the way it would be nice if the software would save my settings as a default so I don't have to go through setting it up each time.
I switched to actual values window and selected the cams on bank 1 and 2 to compare values as I ran the engine at various rpm. I noticed the bank 2 cam readings were similar to bank 1 when the engine speed was steady, but anytime the throttle was increased or decreased quickly it would lag behind, then catch up.
I'd love to post the log but I can't see that it saved anything but one informational screen that shows the three CEL codes - at least that's all I can see when I load the file to review it. I checked the website and the log is suppose to record all the actual values. Maybe I didn't set it up right. Anyone who knows please educate me. I also cannot find any of the log files outside of the program, meaning if I load the file from within the program, the log files appear in the Data/Html directory. But if I go through Windows 7 explorer the dated log files don't show up. Something's not right.
I pulled the car in, jacked it up and set it on the stands when I noticed a small puddle of oil under the right side. A quick investigation revealed a dead motor mount. Bummer.
I went on line to check prices and came up with $400 for RS mounts at Suncoast and $400 for Wevos. Called the dealer and spoke with a guy in parts and he didn't know what I was talking about when I said RS engine mounts. Must have been someone who just answered the phone cause the usual guy is very knowledgeable. I liked the way the Wevos looked better anyway so I ordered a pair of those.
Took off the air box and noticed the serpentine belt was cracked all around the inside. Maybe it would last a lot longer maybe it won't but I'd rather change it now than deal with it leaving me stranded. Preventative maintenance.
I plan on changing all the rubber hoses also. They're looking pretty dried out, but that'll have to wait for another payday.
In the end I ordered new actuators for bank 2 - one for the timing and one for the lift. They're only $150 each and more than worth the hassle of pulling the mufflers, swapping actuators, etc. One solenoid died last year, one now, can the others be far behind? Better I say to just replace them while I have it all apart.
Now I have to go buy a 12mm socket now to replace the one that mysteriously disappeared when my son replaced the clutch on his RX8...
#13
In the end I ordered new actuators for bank 2 - one for the timing and one for the lift. They're only $150 each and more than worth the hassle of pulling the mufflers, swapping actuators, etc. One solenoid died last year, one now, can the others be far behind? Better I say to just replace them while I have it all apart.
#15
118 wind chill! No way!!!
I remember Fairbanks at -50 below wind chill in -20 F . I can't even imagine what 118 degrees + wind chill would feel like.
A few years ago I rode my bicycle from Fresno, CA high up into the mountains 13,000 feet up (about 150 miles round trip). On the way back down riding into Fresno, the temperature was 109 degrees. It was seriously F'ING hot. Like throw up hot, or cut the hot with a butter knife hot, or what the F am I doing here hot.
I seriously hope it cools down there with that tropical storm blowing into the south. HOT in Texas is noooo fun, although maybe 45% humidity makes it feel like a warm summers day compared to most of the time.
I remember Fairbanks at -50 below wind chill in -20 F . I can't even imagine what 118 degrees + wind chill would feel like.
A few years ago I rode my bicycle from Fresno, CA high up into the mountains 13,000 feet up (about 150 miles round trip). On the way back down riding into Fresno, the temperature was 109 degrees. It was seriously F'ING hot. Like throw up hot, or cut the hot with a butter knife hot, or what the F am I doing here hot.
I seriously hope it cools down there with that tropical storm blowing into the south. HOT in Texas is noooo fun, although maybe 45% humidity makes it feel like a warm summers day compared to most of the time.