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Old 07-15-2010, 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Van
My understanding is that a stock suspension is too "compliant" for slicks (or even r-compound DOT tires). What happens, because of the higher grip, the car exhibits more body roll, thus changing the alignment (specifically camber) more while the car is cornering. Because of this, you'll get fewer runs out of r-compound tires (because you'll cord the outside edge) than with an upgraded suspension. Throwing out $1,500 tires rapidly gets real old, real fast.
bingo. the slicks allowing you to running a higher lateral g load that the suspension cannot accommodate.
Old 07-15-2010, 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by LVDell
bingo. the slicks allowing you to running a higher lateral g load that the suspension cannot accommodate.
Bingo part two! Just take a look at the mistakes that the VW Cup made going with sticky tires and stock sets ups. These kids hammer into slow corners all sideways and the cars just hop like rabbits (no pun) through the slow corners as the stock set up just gives up, tucks under and, boing, boing, boing we go. Stupid. All a marketing dept idea instead of common sense from the racing dept at VOA. The same thing happens with half way measures and 996's. Because slicks are cheaper then a full blown racing set up ($10K and up), people try the slicks and wonder why they get uneven heating and rip the crap out of the tires after one day.
Old 07-15-2010, 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by sml
Then my local porsche mechanic suggested not to track a 996 but buy a 993 or 964 instead.
They are a proven platform with few issues but, they aren't as fun or as fast as the more modern 996 platform.

I've been heavily racing my 3.4 996 for a year now in 2 series with somewhere in the vicinity of 80 hours of race time. No issues to date. I've installed the X51 oil pan, a 3rd radiator, and occasionally I even change the oil though it's usually 4 weekend in between (Mobil 1, 15-50)....

Synchros, on the other hand, have been an issue for me. Maybe it's because I came from a cup car and shift hard, but I'm about to replace 2nd and 3rd for the second time......
Old 07-15-2010, 11:06 AM
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JR...makes a good point. The gearbox in the 996 is not built to withstand the abuse of hard tracking (i.e., racing). It is treated as a consumable.
Old 07-15-2010, 11:13 AM
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where was that quote that says something like

its Porsche Racing, what part did you think would be cheap... the Porsche part, or the Racing part
Old 07-15-2010, 11:21 AM
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Now that **** is funny!
Old 07-15-2010, 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by sandersd
Just curious: what does having a stock suspension have to do with getting heat into the tires?
You can't get enough negative camber in the suspension to use the tires. Plus, the stock suspension is too soft with too much body roll to really work the tires up to proper temperatures. If might be doable on a track with lots of straights and hard braking - but that doesn't sound like a road course Besides, even if you could get maximum grip, you are likely to break something in the stock suspension with the heavy G-load.


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Old 07-15-2010, 01:27 PM
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The track car that I have for sale now had engine oil pressure issues before I owned it..Enough to scatter an engine.

What makes the biggest differences to these engines is G forces, once real suspensions and sticky tires are added oil pressure issues begin. After I enhanced the oil system, included the accu-sump kit and went full external with oil filtration and -12 hoses.

We see the exact same characteristics time and time again with track cars and failed engines from oil starvation. I have determined that engine oil temperatures are elevated to a point that proves to be a catalyst for making the issues worse... Its not uncommon for a tracked M96 engine to see an oil temp of 260F, if that engine uses a generic oil then the engine will probably be compromised. I found that the choice of oil made a huge difference, especially on the track.

It takes the right preparation to make a 996 a dedicated track car, once the proper issues are addressed they can be just as reliable as JR mentions above.

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Old 07-15-2010, 01:38 PM
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Did jake mention his C2 is FS? I just did.
Old 07-15-2010, 01:54 PM
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Jake's car is F/S ???

son of a why cant I have more money @ times like this !!
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Originally Posted by ivangene
...why cant I have more money @ times like this !!
Bah, you always have plenty of money for times like this. Use some of that money.

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Old 07-15-2010, 02:03 PM
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Jake
Would appreciate your advice on oil choice as mentioned in your post.
Thanks very much
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Old 07-15-2010, 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by ivangene
where was that quote that says something like

its Porsche Racing, what part did you think would be cheap... the Porsche part, or the Racing part
Same guy said something like "to make a small fortune in racing, you start out with a larger one..."
Old 07-15-2010, 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by rideau
Jake
Would appreciate your advice on oil choice as mentioned in your post.
Thanks very much
Ian
Many would and I wish I could post it.. But the topic is way too sensitive and controversial topic for public consumption. Been there done that and won't ever do it again.
Old 07-15-2010, 02:25 PM
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+1 for lets not get another "oil thread" started


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