why are the 996 so cheap in price compare to 993
05-12-2010, 09:00 PM
#36
Race Director
Hmm. Not even looking at '95s which can be had at even cheaper prices.
'96 993 74K miles for $23.8K
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.js...standard=false
BillJ sold his 02 996 90K miles with a new engine at $26.5 asking
https://rennlist.com/forums/for-sale...k-6-speed.html
I will now wait for a response on how these two examples are not true to actual market trends. The matter of fact is that 993 prices have come down regardless of how many "aircooled" fans are trying to keep the market value up.
'96 993 74K miles for $23.8K
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.js...standard=false
BillJ sold his 02 996 90K miles with a new engine at $26.5 asking
https://rennlist.com/forums/for-sale...k-6-speed.html
I will now wait for a response on how these two examples are not true to actual market trends. The matter of fact is that 993 prices have come down regardless of how many "aircooled" fans are trying to keep the market value up.
1. These are asking prices, not selling prices. What did these cars sell for?
2. You don't think a new engine with a warranty helped the 996 selling price?
3. North Carolina vs. arkansas pricing?
Bottom line is that a 6 year newer car with a new warrantied engine was asking $2,700 more a plain jane 993.
05-12-2010, 09:44 PM
#38
Rennlist Member
Hate to keep this going, but.
1. These are asking prices, not selling prices. What did these cars sell for?
2. You don't think a new engine with a warranty helped the 996 selling price?
3. North Carolina vs. arkansas pricing?
Bottom line is that a 6 year newer car with a new warrantied engine was asking $2,700 more a plain jane 993.
1. These are asking prices, not selling prices. What did these cars sell for?
2. You don't think a new engine with a warranty helped the 996 selling price?
3. North Carolina vs. arkansas pricing?
Bottom line is that a 6 year newer car with a new warrantied engine was asking $2,700 more a plain jane 993.
1. If asking of the 993 is lower, the chance of it being sold 15% higher than asking price would be high. In this market? Unlikely.
2. Premium of a new engine - Perhaps $1,000 or less than the cost of buying a warranty because a warranty will cover more parts.
http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/9...ew-engine.html
3. There is a difference between NC and AK in car prices if you are buying out of state?
what a debbie downer.. You are no fun in this sandbox..
05-17-2010, 03:17 PM
#39
Last fall, I sold my '97 993 coupe (6-speed) which I had owned for 9 years. Recently, I bought a '99 Cab w/hardtop (6-speed). So far, by way of comparison I would say the 996 is a more desirable daily driver as it is quieter, and the extra interior room is appreciated. Performance-wise, I see little difference...so far.
The two biggest differences are (a) instrumentation (993's = great; 996 = sucks), and (b) engine sound (993 = more vintage; 996 = quieter, and power build-up is more linear).
relinuca
The two biggest differences are (a) instrumentation (993's = great; 996 = sucks), and (b) engine sound (993 = more vintage; 996 = quieter, and power build-up is more linear).
relinuca
05-19-2010, 01:34 AM
#40
Poseur
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Ignorance is bliss. The 996 is the better car. The 993 owners will never admit that even in downtown Dallas traffic in late August when it is about 120ºF outside and the air cooled engine is creeping up toward 300ºF oil temps, and the 'air conditioning' can't even THINK of keeping up!
05-19-2010, 03:09 AM
#41
Must be the 993 had better colors and can lower easier with chrome wheels 
Or maybe because cops don't call it a camaro.
Could be its worth it since the a/c and cooling suck.
Actually its a manopoly attempt since everybody will be driving a porsche.
Or maybe because cops don't call it a camaro.
Could be its worth it since the a/c and cooling suck.
Actually its a manopoly attempt since everybody will be driving a porsche.
05-19-2010, 09:21 AM
#42
Rennlist Member
Uhhh... no. Not even close.
The real story (according to Ludvigsen and Frere):
By the mid-90s the aircooled engine had reached the end of its development life cycle. Porsche concluded that it was impossible to certify a next-generation aircooled engine to the emerging emissions regulations in the European Union and the United States. Simply put, they had no choice but to develop the next generation 911 flat six as a watercooled engine.
At the same time, the Harm Lagaay-designed 993 was a beautiful evolutionary development of the 911 shape. Many argue it is the most attractive 911 of all time (I agree, and secretly lust after a 993 C4S - but in NC needed real air conditioning!).
As for the 996, starting in 1998 attractive lease rates and a strong economy allowed Porsche to sell lots and lots of Boxsters and 996s. The build numbers of these cars are huge compared to the 993. For example, worldwide Porsche sold ~9,000 993s in 1998, the last year of aircooled manufacture. The next year they sold over 28,000 996s!
Simply put, the price difference between 993s and 996s is a direct effect of supply and demand combined with the 993's beauty and cache as the 'last of the aircooled cars.'
Have potential reliability problems hurt the 996? Maybe. But every 911 model has had its expensive quirks, from exploding airboxes and chain tensioners to the 964 and 993 leak problems. Sadly, this is par for the course.
The real story (according to Ludvigsen and Frere):
By the mid-90s the aircooled engine had reached the end of its development life cycle. Porsche concluded that it was impossible to certify a next-generation aircooled engine to the emerging emissions regulations in the European Union and the United States. Simply put, they had no choice but to develop the next generation 911 flat six as a watercooled engine.
At the same time, the Harm Lagaay-designed 993 was a beautiful evolutionary development of the 911 shape. Many argue it is the most attractive 911 of all time (I agree, and secretly lust after a 993 C4S - but in NC needed real air conditioning!).
As for the 996, starting in 1998 attractive lease rates and a strong economy allowed Porsche to sell lots and lots of Boxsters and 996s. The build numbers of these cars are huge compared to the 993. For example, worldwide Porsche sold ~9,000 993s in 1998, the last year of aircooled manufacture. The next year they sold over 28,000 996s!
Simply put, the price difference between 993s and 996s is a direct effect of supply and demand combined with the 993's beauty and cache as the 'last of the aircooled cars.'
Have potential reliability problems hurt the 996? Maybe. But every 911 model has had its expensive quirks, from exploding airboxes and chain tensioners to the 964 and 993 leak problems. Sadly, this is par for the course.
05-19-2010, 10:05 AM
#43
Ignorance is bliss. The 996 is the better car. The 993 owners will never admit that even in downtown Dallas traffic in late August when it is about 120ºF outside and the air cooled engine is creeping up toward 300ºF oil temps, and the 'air conditioning' can't even THINK of keeping up!
996 owners are daily drivers. Daily enjoyment - who cares about miles.
what ever you read out of your book dude.. I wanted one for 3 years before I bought one.. I watched what happened right in front of my eyes. 1.5 yrs ago you couldnt touch a 996 for under 30. then as all the warranties expired and the cars got a little older where an after market warranty could not be put on the cars.... The price REALLY dropped by 50% or more in fact. Then Give an after market warranty a call and ask them to put a warrenty on your 110,000 trail blazer, the answer will be Yes with some limitations,, then ask them to put one on your 110,000 996 the answer will be a flat out NO..... You will get a reality check really fast. of why our cars are not worth anything.
I don't think it was warranty, it was the economy. With the bad economy you had more cars coming to market, people losing their jobs, and people no longer able to buy toys with mortgage money. Perfect storm. Also the 996 buyer didn't have the 'investment' mentality. For many it was their 1st Porsche. After a year or so they find out the real cost of ownership and bail. But DIYers can afford them.
05-19-2010, 11:11 AM
#44
Race Director
Ignorance is bliss. The 996 is the better car. The 993 owners will never admit that even in downtown Dallas traffic in late August when it is about 120ºF outside and the air cooled engine is creeping up toward 300ºF oil temps, and the 'air conditioning' can't even THINK of keeping up!
Any 993 that hits oil temps anywhere near 300 degrees has serious mechanical problems. Considering the high speed fan comes on around 240 degrees, 300 will not happen. In 90 degree temps sitting in NJ parkway traffic, my 993TT never got above about 210 degrees, and thats without me turning the high speed fan on. In other words, you are FOS, as usual.
Furthermore, if you buy a sports car because of how well the air conditioning cools you when sitting in traffic in the middle of the city, perhaps its best you have a 997. When you actually want to enjoy driving, try a 993.
993 owners drive their cars plenty. yes, some people would rather leave them in the garage. Then again, judging a whole group by a few people is pretty ridiculous, don't you think?
05-19-2010, 12:55 PM
#45
Rennlist Member
Ignorance is bliss. The 996 is the better car. The 993 owners will never admit that even in downtown Dallas traffic in late August when it is about 120ºF outside and the air cooled engine is creeping up toward 300ºF oil temps, and the 'air conditioning' can't even THINK of keeping up!