Shark Attack

I have heard a story where the service advisor put the kit on his peronal credit card and the customer paid him back to keep it off the books?

ivangene

well that sounds like an "above the board" move on his part....sure porsche would not mind

15psi

Kyle-

I have thought the same thing. I also wonder if all that oil in the shaft causes an imbalance in the shaft and could contribute to the bearing failure- although the number one reason for bearing failure is lack of lubrication.

Also wondered if it would be possible to drill holes in the IMS shaft from under the engine. Shaft is below the crank. 3 holes would seem to do the job. (Did you see that guy from Spain put a cork in the shaft?)

Great minds think alike-
Maybe Jake will look at this.

Divot

I might have to throw the BS flag on this one. Why wouldn't the customer just put it on his own card?

Shark Attack

Just repeating what I heard

Shark Attack

I was thinking 4 holes 90 degrees from one an other spaced = across the shaft.

Or 3 holes, @ 120 degrees?

Lack of lube? Not so sure. I think it is lack of clean lube. If you think about it, when the car is not running, the bearing is not in clean oil. However the burnt oil in the tube can seap back in to the bearing.

The new bearing from LNE has the one side and one side only seal removed from the bearing So the engine oil can get in the bearing.

I almost think that removing the seal from the visable side of a porsche bearing may save it. But what do I know

philooo

With a couple hundreds of engineers at Porsche headquarter, you'd think they would come up with something...

Only reason I see to not fix it, is to sell rebuild engine... but that would be really mean, wouldn't it !

I can't believe they let this go so long and that nobody came up with a class action law suit. That is what they deserve !

Shark Attack

I dont know what to tell you. People do a lot of talking but no one really has done anything. Not really sure a lawsuit is there.
If you are under warranty they fix it with a smile. If not, they hand you a 17K bill with a **** eating grin. I am not sure a suit about the IMS is the way to go. Finding enough people to participate would be hard and the cost involved in getting the data needed. Plus dealers have more data about it than anyone and they are not going to just hand it over. I feel the numbers of IMS you see on the internet are scewed a bit becasue when you feel you are getting the shaft, where is teh first place you go to check it out? Thats right the internet. So I think we see more here than our fare share. I think a suit would have more of a chance with original owners who took a bath in re-sale value. When I came on here and voiced my opinion of why the cars have tanked in price I was met with many people in denial that the car they paid 60-70K for was now only worth 20K on a good day. When I told them I was buying an 99 Aero for 17K. I got met with all kinds of "dont come back here crying you got screwed"," For that Price I am sure it is not a REAL AERO". The car is nice, Its here and I drive it everyday its not raining. I didnt pay for the IMS the other owners did. The first only had it for a few months, The second owner bought it for 56K and 8 years later sold it to the 3rd owner for 27K, One year later the 4th owner paid 17K, 6 months later I paid 17K. The guy who took the bath was owner #3.

And that plays in with what I have seen. As little as 1.5 years ago you couldnt touch a new body 911 for under 30K. In the last year I have seen them going for mid teens on a daily basis. I know, I watched because I wanted one for years.

ivangene

awe.... you need to look in side one of these motors and you might have a little more faith the the bean counters are running the show -

bgrpph

02 996 C2 27K miles- purchased 6 yrs 75K Fidelity Warranty from local dealer few yrs ago after buying car from friend-
few drops of oil on floor last month- took to dealer last week- they installed new RMS and IMS seal- covered by warranty- i paid for clutch from sunset-
So far Fidelity has covered two repairs with no issue. thankful i've 3 1/2 yrs left on warranty to cover IMS bearing issue if it develops.

soverystout

That's great! Fidelity may have more of a problem with a $14K plus motor as opposed to a repiar that probably caost less than $2k.

But hey, if Fidelity continues to work out for you (or it doesn't) let us know.

Thanks,

Jim

philooo

It is good to know that Fidelity extended warranty services has not let you down on this.

So the dealer at least acknowledged the fact that the IMS needed a new seal?
Did you ask for it specifically or they knew about it and they do this each time they detach the gearbox ?

BTW, can you tell us how much you paid for that super long warranty ? i am in the market for one I think we need an extended warranty thread (price, detail policy, experience), is there one already ?

BruceP

It's true, unfortunately. If they had not been so tight for money when this car was developed, it probably wouldn't have used the IMS design at all. AFAIK, it was imposed because they wanted to avoid the cost of casting separate heads for the left and right sides of the motor.

15psi

I agree on the bad oil- It surely has alot of acid and water in it which will corrode the ball bearings. Once that happens, the clearances increase and the ballbearings start moving laterally in the races, and the cage starts giving out.

on a side note , I noticed that some cars produce a lot more acid in the oil. I had a Audi turbo that produced enough acid in the oil that it would eat through the plastic containers I put the old old in. If I didn't get them to recycling within a month, I would have a nice mess on my hands. All my other cars were fine.

15psi

You have more than the engineers involved, when it comes to these situations. Lawyers don't want a trail that could admit fault, engineers not willing to think outside the box, finance picking the lowest cost senarios. BTDT I've been in those meetings.

They did take care of people that were in warranty, and replacing engines is pretty generous (and costly).

The fact that so many of these cars are garage queens IS a major contributor. Sitting in a garage all winter or only driver a few miles on weekends isn't good for any car.

You don't want a class action suit. Only the lawyers WIN. All you will get a coupon that will save you 5% off a new 911. And now the value of your car will really drop with the publicity. Lose-Lose situation.