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Old 03-02-2010, 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by ivangene
Jake - can you confirm that? And give life expectancy rating for the new bearings?
about 4.5X IIRC. Its posted on LNE webside
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I heard the stock bearing has a 30k mile life expectancy??? (some amount of hours was the spec)
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Originally Posted by ivangene
I heard the stock bearing has a 30k mile life expectancy??? (some amount of hours was the spec)
oofffff. I didnt hear that. But I am shocked how small the bearing is with the load and importance it has
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I'd never post a life expectancy... It would be a blanket statement and would be based on speculation.
The materials are far superior to that of a conventional bearing, the bearing is open to unobstructed engine lubrication and has a far superior flange. I don't make blanket statements regarding any mechanical component, not an engine, not a single part. Thats generally because I make a living breaking things and I try to break at least one thing per week.

To date we have a 100% success rate for the bearings, including some that were applied to engines that were in the process of failing and were saved with the procedure and bearing. These engines had experienced oil contamination and secondary failures that were not beneficial to the replacement bearing's life but they continue to perform. The only thing thats going to prove the ability of the bearing to perform will be application, miles and actual experiences of installers. In less than one year the bearing has gained one hell of a reputation and has "saved" no less than 20 engines from the salvage yard when used as a last chance repair after an IMS bearing failure had occurred. I have personally experienced 6 engines that had bearings failing during normal preventive retrofit procedures, so thats 6 more that had imminent failure in their future that were saved. Do that math at an average engine replacement cost of 14,000.00- We kept a lot of money out of Porsche's hands.

Anyone who has ever experienced Silicon Nitride in a wear environment would never question how long the bearing will last. Thats because once exposed to the material and its characteristics you'll never forget the experience.

We are and have been since day one logging trend data from failed bearings and we are also logging vehicle info from every retrofit bearing that is applied. Logging and serializing every bearing and matching those stamped bearing flanges to both VIN and engine serial numbers will help us to in the event that we do experience a failure. It also keep people honest that were trying to sell cars that had supposedly been outfitted with the IMSR for more money; when the procedure had not been carried out.

Glad to see so many Indy's that attended the rebuild school here last week are sharing what they learned first hand. I am planning an "Understanding the IMS BEaring Failure" Seminar here over the Summer. Things are a lot different when you see piles of broken parts first hand and talk to the people who have had it happen eyeball to eyeball. (one has had TWO failures in two different cars!)
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Originally Posted by Jake Raby
I'd never post a life expectancy... It would be a blanket statement and would be based on speculation.
The materials are far superior to that of a conventional bearing, the bearing is open to unobstructed engine lubrication and has a far superior flange. I don't make blanket statements regarding any mechanical component, not an engine, not a single part. Thats generally because I make a living breaking things and I try to break at least one thing per week.

To date we have a 100% success rate for the bearings, including some that were applied to engines that were in the process of failing and were saved with the procedure and bearing. These engines had experienced oil contamination and secondary failures that were not beneficial to the replacement bearing's life but they continue to perform. The only thing thats going to prove the ability of the bearing to perform will be application, miles and actual experiences of installers. In less than one year the bearing has gained one hell of a reputation and has "saved" no less than 20 engines from the salvage yard when used as a last chance repair after an IMS bearing failure had occurred. I have personally experienced 6 engines that had bearings failing during normal preventive retrofit procedures, so thats 6 more that had imminent failure in their future that were saved. Do that math at an average engine replacement cost of 14,000.00- We kept a lot of money out of Porsche's hands.

Anyone who has ever experienced Silicon Nitride in a wear environment would never question how long the bearing will last. Thats because once exposed to the material and its characteristics you'll never forget the experience.

Glad to see so many Indy's that attended the rebuild school here last week are sharing what they learned first hand. I am planning an "Understanding the IMS BEaring Failure" Seminar here over the Summer. Things are a lot different when you see piles of broken parts first hand and talk to the people who have had it happen eyeball to eyeball. (one has had TWO failures in two different cars!)
One question, recommended engine oil after bearing replacement? Is there a preference since we are adding the lubrication to the bearing?

FYI Jake, I purchased the kit today from Charles. Nice guy, we talked for quite sometime about addtional maintenance (and kids!). I think we have broken the barrier where 996 engines are now the 911SC's of past. Where enthusiasts are going in breaking these guys open and getting into the internals....WOOT!
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Originally Posted by Jake Raby
I'd never post a life expectancy... It would be a blanket statement and would be based on speculation.
The materials are far superior to that of a conventional bearing, the bearing is open to unobstructed engine lubrication and has a far superior flange. I don't make blanket statements regarding any mechanical component, not an engine, not a single part. Thats generally because I make a living breaking things and I try to break at least one thing per week.

To date we have a 100% success rate for the bearings, including some that were applied to engines that were in the process of failing and were saved with the procedure and bearing. These engines had experienced oil contamination and secondary failures that were not beneficial to the replacement bearing's life but they continue to perform. The only thing thats going to prove the ability of the bearing to perform will be application, miles and actual experiences of installers. In less than one year the bearing has gained one hell of a reputation and has "saved" no less than 20 engines from the salvage yard when used as a last chance repair after an IMS bearing failure had occurred. I have personally experienced 6 engines that had bearings failing during normal preventive retrofit procedures, so thats 6 more that had imminent failure in their future that were saved. Do that math at an average engine replacement cost of 14,000.00- We kept a lot of money out of Porsche's hands.

Anyone who has ever experienced Silicon Nitride in a wear environment would never question how long the bearing will last. Thats because once exposed to the material and its characteristics you'll never forget the experience.

We are and have been since day one logging trend data from failed bearings and we are also logging vehicle info from every retrofit bearing that is applied. Logging and serializing every bearing and matching those stamped bearing flanges to both VIN and engine serial numbers will help us to in the event that we do experience a failure. It also keep people honest that were trying to sell cars that had supposedly been outfitted with the IMSR for more money; when the procedure had not been carried out.

Glad to see so many Indy's that attended the rebuild school here last week are sharing what they learned first hand. I am planning an "Understanding the IMS BEaring Failure" Seminar here over the Summer. Things are a lot different when you see piles of broken parts first hand and talk to the people who have had it happen eyeball to eyeball. (one has had TWO failures in two different cars!)
Hmmm, then perhaps I misunderstood my mechanic - he may have meant that the original IMS bearing should be considered a rountine long-term maintenance item...
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Thanks Jake!

And yes, holding a failed bearing and flange in my hand today will make for a bit of a sleepless night tonight. Can't wait to put those fears to rest!
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Originally Posted by ivangene
Thanks Jake!

And yes, holding a failed bearing and flange in my hand today will make for a bit of a sleepless night tonight. Can't wait to put those fears to rest!
Are you becoming "one of us"?
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As soon as funds are available (I have a list of new items - and they WILL fit ---- this time
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Originally Posted by ivangene
As soon as funds are available (I have a list of new items - and they WILL fit ---- this time
Yeah I heard about that.....didn't want to bring it up and increase therapy costs for you.

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With the 996 prices at the point they are now more DIY owners are buying/ owning the cars. This is the key to development and application and these people need real reference material written and offered by the people who actually work on these engines.. Working on that now.

"Other reference" material for other Porsche engines has been written by people who have never built an engine by themselves.. It reads really good and makes you all warm and fuzzy inside but at the end of the day that real questions didn't get answered.
Old 03-03-2010, 11:02 AM
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GLAD to have opened up "yet" another discussion" on the "presumably" cheaped out 996/boxster engine design. After 40+ years in the P business, this new genereation of engine/trans is so sad! I am going the LN design way without question. Thanks to all for sharing with me this terrible situation and some partial solutions. Mark
Old 03-03-2010, 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Eharrison
I think we have broken the barrier where 996 engines are now the 911SC's of past. Where enthusiasts are going in breaking these guys open and getting into the internals....WOOT!
Well put, and I agree. I also think this is when Porsche ownership gets fun. There is always that period when a Porsche is being driven by people who leased it for status points and don't really get it, and then by people who stretched a bit too far to pay for it. Once they all get shaken out of the process and move on to something else, the people who just love the cars emerge and the game becomes one of keeping them fun as long as possible.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: The M96 engine is a long way from perfect, but it's also a long way from bad. I'm delighted to see the aftermarket getting interested in the little beast.

Sorry for the hijack. As you were...
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Well, what REALLY eats me up is quite simple........After the "Fuhrmann" design boxer powerplant, evolving and morphing over 50 years! TO THIS (996). Cannot we all agree, WHAT A DISAPPOINTMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!M sorry, got carried away
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BTW- IVENGENE, every moment I spend in my engine rebuilding room, viewing these engines, it's just like your avatar:-)


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