IMS retrofit problem
02-26-2010, 06:26 AM
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IMS retrofit problem
Hi everybody,
I'm bringing my car to life and I think I screwed up something.
Some more pictures....
http://www.soloporsche.com/showthread.php?t=29789
As part of the repair I planned to do a IMS retrofit job. I took off the IMS flange to send pictures (not pull the bearing yet) to LN and discover which kind of bearing I had.
Now I know the bearing I have (single row) and I already order the kit from LN but my problem is that I didn't set the engine to TDC and I didn't get off the tensioners. My question is how do I have to proceed before I make it worse. I have the engine out of the car.
Can I set the engine to the TDC now?
Can I get off the tensioners(I'm also planing to change)?
Do you know if the cam can be out of time?
I'm also planing to change the cam's pads for a new ones. Does it make any difference?
I already read this other threat(link under) but I want to be sure after all the work I'm having that all the steps I follow are the right ones with this "little frog with no hat"
https://rennlist.com/forums/996-foru...hain-help.html
I would appreciate any kind of help. Thanks...
I'm bringing my car to life and I think I screwed up something.
Some more pictures....
http://www.soloporsche.com/showthread.php?t=29789
As part of the repair I planned to do a IMS retrofit job. I took off the IMS flange to send pictures (not pull the bearing yet) to LN and discover which kind of bearing I had.
Now I know the bearing I have (single row) and I already order the kit from LN but my problem is that I didn't set the engine to TDC and I didn't get off the tensioners. My question is how do I have to proceed before I make it worse. I have the engine out of the car.
Can I set the engine to the TDC now?
Can I get off the tensioners(I'm also planing to change)?
Do you know if the cam can be out of time?
I'm also planing to change the cam's pads for a new ones. Does it make any difference?
I already read this other threat(link under) but I want to be sure after all the work I'm having that all the steps I follow are the right ones with this "little frog with no hat"
https://rennlist.com/forums/996-foru...hain-help.html
I would appreciate any kind of help. Thanks...
02-26-2010, 07:46 AM
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I think, if you have not turned the engine since you pulled the flange. Chances are the timing has not jumped yet. If you loosen the 1-3 chain adjuster some, you might be able to get the flange back on. You might also need to loosen the crank to IMS adjuster. Once you get the flange back, pull the spark plugs (so there is no compression and you can tell if the pistons and valves are making contact) and slowly turn the engine to TDC and verify with the marks on the cam ends.
Rick
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02-26-2010, 08:05 AM
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This is one for jake.
I was told that if you pulled the flang with out doing the TDC and removing the tensioners you screw your valve timeing. If so, nothing you cant fix with some more special tools. No worries. All you did was add a few hours to the job and a few hundred on some tools. I wouldnt touch it till jake has his input. Can you wrestle the plate back on?
I was told that if you pulled the flang with out doing the TDC and removing the tensioners you screw your valve timeing. If so, nothing you cant fix with some more special tools. No worries. All you did was add a few hours to the job and a few hundred on some tools. I wouldnt touch it till jake has his input. Can you wrestle the plate back on?
02-26-2010, 08:30 AM
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I haven't turned the engine at all. I have just get off the flange to take some pictures and send them to LN. I can't put back the plate because now the bearing is not centered. I suppose it is because I didn't remove the tensioners.
Thanks in advance everybody.
Thanks in advance everybody.
02-26-2010, 10:45 AM
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I wouldnt touch it till i talked to Jake. But I dont think it is going to be an answer you want to hear. I am 95% sure you are going to have to re-time your cams.
And to do that, you will also have to follow directions and you are not scoring too high in that class... (just some friendly ball busting
)
And to do that, you will also have to follow directions and you are not scoring too high in that class... (just some friendly ball busting
)
02-26-2010, 12:12 PM
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I wouldnt touch it till i talked to Jake. But I dont think it is going to be an answer you want to hear. I am 95% sure you are going to have to re-time your cams.
And to do that, you will also have to follow directions and you are not scoring too high in that class... (just some friendly ball busting)
And to do that, you will also have to follow directions and you are not scoring too high in that class... (just some friendly ball busting
)
02-26-2010, 12:15 PM
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Someone obviously did not pay attention and got hasty.
This is SERIOUS BUSINESS and now you have created more work and complication for yourself. If that bearing came from my company, call 706.219.4874 and provide us with the bearing serial number. I will then (personally) provide added support if we sold you the bearing.
If the bearing came directly from LN, call Charles and he will provide some support. We support only what we sell and what is serialized.
The bearing you have is a single row, what bearing did you order?
The FIRST thing that is done is the engine is locked at TDC #1, the second thing that is to be done is removal of the tensioners.
If this is not done correctly the job just became a lot more difficult and special tools will be necessary to reset the camshaft timing. At this point the cam timing has already been compromised, re-installiing the flange will not be possible and even if it were the valve timing is already in question.
If this bearing did come from us, I will be not very happy that it was posted here before we received a support email/ phone call.
This isn't a hard job at all, it does require procedure.
This is SERIOUS BUSINESS and now you have created more work and complication for yourself. If that bearing came from my company, call 706.219.4874 and provide us with the bearing serial number. I will then (personally) provide added support if we sold you the bearing.
If the bearing came directly from LN, call Charles and he will provide some support. We support only what we sell and what is serialized.
The bearing you have is a single row, what bearing did you order?
The FIRST thing that is done is the engine is locked at TDC #1, the second thing that is to be done is removal of the tensioners.
If this is not done correctly the job just became a lot more difficult and special tools will be necessary to reset the camshaft timing. At this point the cam timing has already been compromised, re-installiing the flange will not be possible and even if it were the valve timing is already in question.
If this bearing did come from us, I will be not very happy that it was posted here before we received a support email/ phone call.
This isn't a hard job at all, it does require procedure.
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02-26-2010, 12:26 PM
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Wrong way to take that out. Now you get to learn more things about cam chains, but hey, might be a great time to go ahead and replace the guide rails.
Jake, if I read it right, he planned to order the bearing and was unsure which to order, so he took it apart to have a look.
02-26-2010, 12:48 PM
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However, flange was pulled before he received retrofit bearing and instructions.
Looks like you're off the hook on this one Jake!
Phil
02-26-2010, 01:02 PM
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You irritate me. Your attitute is horrible.
You are going to a lot better if you become a team player. Lose your attitude of "if there isnt anything in it for me , **** you"
You are going to a lot better if you become a team player. Lose your attitude of "if there isnt anything in it for me , **** you"
Someone obviously did not pay attention and got hasty.
This is SERIOUS BUSINESS and now you have created more work and complication for yourself. If that bearing came from my company, call 706.219.4874 and provide us with the bearing serial number. I will then (personally) provide added support if we sold you the bearing.
If the bearing came directly from LN, call Charles and he will provide some support. We support only what we sell and what is serialized.
The bearing you have is a single row, what bearing did you order?
The FIRST thing that is done is the engine is locked at TDC #1, the second thing that is to be done is removal of the tensioners.
If this is not done correctly the job just became a lot more difficult and special tools will be necessary to reset the camshaft timing. At this point the cam timing has already been compromised, re-installiing the flange will not be possible and even if it were the valve timing is already in question.
If this bearing did come from us, I will be not very happy that it was posted here before we received a support email/ phone call.
This isn't a hard job at all, it does require procedure.
This is SERIOUS BUSINESS and now you have created more work and complication for yourself. If that bearing came from my company, call 706.219.4874 and provide us with the bearing serial number. I will then (personally) provide added support if we sold you the bearing.
If the bearing came directly from LN, call Charles and he will provide some support. We support only what we sell and what is serialized.
The bearing you have is a single row, what bearing did you order?
The FIRST thing that is done is the engine is locked at TDC #1, the second thing that is to be done is removal of the tensioners.
If this is not done correctly the job just became a lot more difficult and special tools will be necessary to reset the camshaft timing. At this point the cam timing has already been compromised, re-installiing the flange will not be possible and even if it were the valve timing is already in question.
If this bearing did come from us, I will be not very happy that it was posted here before we received a support email/ phone call.
This isn't a hard job at all, it does require procedure.
Last edited by Shark Attack; 02-26-2010 at 01:23 PM.
02-26-2010, 01:03 PM
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Ed, IIRC he didnt have to take the plate off to know. The single row plate is deeper.
02-26-2010, 01:20 PM
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WTH? He wasn't blaming anyone, but himself. Talk about getting hasty. My mech is pricing the IMS retrofit for me right now. I'll suggest going directly to LN if this is the kind of support he'll get with Jake.
02-26-2010, 01:27 PM
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I know, but "deeper" only works when you have something to compare to...if the OP had read before removing it would be clear - your post stated several times to NOT DO THAT....
I agree that Jake's position is what it is, and trust me in the last 2 years that is not the roughest statement he has made, but when the water calms down, he still a pretty good guy, just gets irritated by what he considers "stupidity" IMO
I agree that Jake's position is what it is, and trust me in the last 2 years that is not the roughest statement he has made, but when the water calms down, he still a pretty good guy, just gets irritated by what he considers "stupidity" IMO
02-26-2010, 01:54 PM
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Jake, if your sole purpose on Rennlist is to provide only help for your customers than I suggest you buy a sponsorship, I have felt you provide good info here and I am certain that you have gained customers from this community, an attitude is not the way to "give back"
Mistakes happen, people come and look for advice, This is the purpose of a tech forum!
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Mistakes happen, people come and look for advice, This is the purpose of a tech forum!
Best,
Marc
02-26-2010, 02:00 PM
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No, you guys have it all wrong!!
I WANT to support this procedure and ensure it is done correctly, which is why I just finished shooting a very extensive DVD on the topic.
On this forum there has only been one other person do this work and post about it and that was Kyle and he did a great job, but at the present time there is not enough knowledge and experience on a board like this to support a procedure as critical as this. One day their will be, but not yet. There is nothing worse for a critical install like this than mis-information and thats what I am trying to avoid.
I wasn't getting hasty, I wanted him to understand that before he goes any further and damages something he should gain support from us or from LN.
I do get irritated when people make mistakes that could be avoided, but with this procedure there is no "stupid question" and I answer all of them with enthusiasm because I WANT to help and we must make every bearing install a success.
FYI- We sold a bearing to someone with the same location a couple of weeks ago and he used the same soloporsche forums, so thats why I assumed that he was the purchaser of that bearing, but I was not and still am not sure.
I do receive calls from those who purchased the bearing directly from LN, and LN tells every customer that they do not offer extensive support, they refer those who want/ need extensive support directly to us as we helped develop the procedure and have done more than any other facility.
I'll help anyone, as long as they don't demand it- no matter where it was purchased from..
I can't stress enough how much procedure is important during this retrofit, Kyle knows that but even he had some questions that I helped him with.. Most everyone does and should, at least until the DVD is finally edited.
Goof this up and you can waste an engine, thats just the cold, hard facts and they must be stated bluntly to be taken seriously.
I WANT to support this procedure and ensure it is done correctly, which is why I just finished shooting a very extensive DVD on the topic.
On this forum there has only been one other person do this work and post about it and that was Kyle and he did a great job, but at the present time there is not enough knowledge and experience on a board like this to support a procedure as critical as this. One day their will be, but not yet. There is nothing worse for a critical install like this than mis-information and thats what I am trying to avoid.
I wasn't getting hasty, I wanted him to understand that before he goes any further and damages something he should gain support from us or from LN.
I do get irritated when people make mistakes that could be avoided, but with this procedure there is no "stupid question" and I answer all of them with enthusiasm because I WANT to help and we must make every bearing install a success.
FYI- We sold a bearing to someone with the same location a couple of weeks ago and he used the same soloporsche forums, so thats why I assumed that he was the purchaser of that bearing, but I was not and still am not sure.
I do receive calls from those who purchased the bearing directly from LN, and LN tells every customer that they do not offer extensive support, they refer those who want/ need extensive support directly to us as we helped develop the procedure and have done more than any other facility.
I'll help anyone, as long as they don't demand it- no matter where it was purchased from..
I can't stress enough how much procedure is important during this retrofit, Kyle knows that but even he had some questions that I helped him with.. Most everyone does and should, at least until the DVD is finally edited.
Goof this up and you can waste an engine, thats just the cold, hard facts and they must be stated bluntly to be taken seriously.