Nitrous Oxide
05-18-2016, 10:55 AM
#46
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05-18-2016, 11:33 AM
#47
Quite so.
And to that point, it may be a helpful reminder that one can, at no extra cost, use the period (.) symbol to end a sentence.
This allows thoughts to be more cogently conveyed. Sentences can be broken up into logical blocks called paragraphs. This enhances the communication medium, and helps readers to understand the thoughts presented.
And to that point, it may be a helpful reminder that one can, at no extra cost, use the period (.) symbol to end a sentence.
This allows thoughts to be more cogently conveyed. Sentences can be broken up into logical blocks called paragraphs. This enhances the communication medium, and helps readers to understand the thoughts presented.
05-18-2016, 12:07 PM
#48
Rennlist Member
Quite so.
And to that point, it may be a helpful reminder that one can, at no extra cost, use the period (.) symbol to end a sentence.
This allows thoughts to be more cogently conveyed. Sentences can be broken up into logical blocks called paragraphs. This enhances the communication medium, and helps readers to understand the thoughts presented.
And to that point, it may be a helpful reminder that one can, at no extra cost, use the period (.) symbol to end a sentence.
This allows thoughts to be more cogently conveyed. Sentences can be broken up into logical blocks called paragraphs. This enhances the communication medium, and helps readers to understand the thoughts presented.
05-18-2016, 03:08 PM
#50
Rennlist Member
There is no more danger running a properly installed Nitrous System than there is running a properly installed Turbo or SC. All 3 have the potential of destroying the engine in a matter of seconds and all 3 have the potential of providing your engine with substantial horsepower very safely.
I remember when I became the 1st 99 C2 with a supercharger. People said the engine couldn't take it and I was a fool for installing it. That was some 4 - 5 years and more than 50,000 miles ago. Now, everyone wants their 996 supercharged. In many cases, when people don't understand something, they tend to badmouth it rather then simply saying they have no little to no knowledge about the subject.
I remember when I became the 1st 99 C2 with a supercharger. People said the engine couldn't take it and I was a fool for installing it. That was some 4 - 5 years and more than 50,000 miles ago. Now, everyone wants their 996 supercharged. In many cases, when people don't understand something, they tend to badmouth it rather then simply saying they have no little to no knowledge about the subject.
I agree also, This kind of mentality is what limits people. Do research, do things the right way and most of the time you will be suprised how well things can go.
I was critizised for purchasing an OBX LSD for my 99 but theres guys in the Honda/Acura community with over 500 HP on the same LSD. They check the interior for imperfections and smooth them out with a dremel and change the washers and bolts and end up with a replica Quaife Torque Bias differential that has worked great on many cars.
Doing things right is the key.
05-18-2016, 05:41 PM
#51
My point is, look at 1999porsche911, he installed a supercharger on his C2 and guess what? It lasted! Now let's look at this a bit closer, One, at 6000 RPM that supercharger is using about 60 to 80hp to spin the supercharger off the end of a crankshaft that was never designed to do so. Yes I have seen a blower rip the stout off a crank. Two without a inter cooler that Manifold air temperature is way way up there. Three, static compression on that engine of. 11 to 1 with 7 pounds of boost equates to about 14 to 1 compression. It held together, nitrous oxide is injected into the engine at about 100° below zero. Adds no more static compression. Adds zero stress to the crank stout. Nitrous is looking good at this point to me. So call me what ever you want, say what you want but can you build one of there motors? I have......many of them from a 2.0's to a 3.6's I can assure you the 911 motor so much stronger than people give them credit for.
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05-18-2016, 06:32 PM
#52
Have you built any m96 motors specifically? If so, there's a lot of peeps that could use your services.
05-18-2016, 06:40 PM
#53
Race Director
So the working theory is that nitrous, because the charge is cooler than a non-intercooled supercharger (which is patently stupid anyway) is GOOD for the car.
Yup. Sound logic.
The primary reason people use the bottle is to add cheap HP. Clearly folks here have concerns about the M96's reliability; it is NOT a cheap motor to repair. Using a cheap power-adder to stress a motor you probably can't afford to replace is - in my unsolicited opinion that I can't believe I'm tacking on to an 8-year-old thread - stupid.
I've been waiting for a cheap used wet system to show up so I can slap it on my Corvette - but that motor is a tank that can happily grind out 500HP with NA mods. A crate longblock from a decent source is a whopping $2,500...so guess which motor I'm more likely to juice? *hint* Not the M96.
Yup. Sound logic.
The primary reason people use the bottle is to add cheap HP. Clearly folks here have concerns about the M96's reliability; it is NOT a cheap motor to repair. Using a cheap power-adder to stress a motor you probably can't afford to replace is - in my unsolicited opinion that I can't believe I'm tacking on to an 8-year-old thread - stupid.
I've been waiting for a cheap used wet system to show up so I can slap it on my Corvette - but that motor is a tank that can happily grind out 500HP with NA mods. A crate longblock from a decent source is a whopping $2,500...so guess which motor I'm more likely to juice? *hint* Not the M96.
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05-18-2016, 06:56 PM
#54
Rennlist Member
05-18-2016, 09:08 PM
#55
Burning Brakes
Thank you for your feedback on a nitrous system as Im sure the m96 and mini cooper engines have a lot in common and your mini cooper should be a great basis for knowing for a fact that you wont blow the engine on the 996 because Im sure you have a lot of experience with nitrous and the m96 engine and can report back here how it does with the extra 75 hp you get from the kit and whether it is 75hp at the crank or 75 rear wheel horse power and I would love to see a dyno if you get it and also know which m96 you are running it on and maybe keep us updated on how its all going and if you are able to race and beat some really fast cars with your really fast car really fast.
05-18-2016, 09:31 PM
#56
It's over your head never mind
So the working theory is that nitrous, because the charge is cooler than a non-intercooled supercharger (which is patently stupid anyway) is GOOD for the car.
Yup. Sound logic.
The primary reason people use the bottle is to add cheap HP. Clearly folks here have concerns about the M96's reliability; it is NOT a cheap motor to repair. Using a cheap power-adder to stress a motor you probably can't afford to replace is - in my unsolicited opinion that I can't believe I'm tacking on to an 8-year-old thread - stupid.
I've been waiting for a cheap used wet system to show up so I can slap it on my Corvette - but that motor is a tank that can happily grind out 500HP with NA mods. A crate longblock from a decent source is a whopping $2,500...so guess which motor I'm more likely to juice? *hint* Not the M96.
Yup. Sound logic.
The primary reason people use the bottle is to add cheap HP. Clearly folks here have concerns about the M96's reliability; it is NOT a cheap motor to repair. Using a cheap power-adder to stress a motor you probably can't afford to replace is - in my unsolicited opinion that I can't believe I'm tacking on to an 8-year-old thread - stupid.
I've been waiting for a cheap used wet system to show up so I can slap it on my Corvette - but that motor is a tank that can happily grind out 500HP with NA mods. A crate longblock from a decent source is a whopping $2,500...so guess which motor I'm more likely to juice? *hint* Not the M96.
05-18-2016, 10:17 PM
#58
Race Director
Yup. I am clearly the idiot here.
Now run along and freak out on a few more 8-year-old threads.
For your sake, I hope you fix s**t better than you internet. Because you SUCK at internet.
Now run along and freak out on a few more 8-year-old threads.
For your sake, I hope you fix s**t better than you internet. Because you SUCK at internet.
05-18-2016, 10:25 PM
#59
Burning Brakes
05-18-2016, 10:34 PM
#60
Three Wheelin'
I'm glad they bumped this thread, it was a fun read and it's nice to know there are some around running it on these cars.
It is funny though that at the mere thought of adding nitrus people start to jump to the conclusion that it will ruin the engine and all will be lost. That's not really the case if/when done well, and a car can be perfectly happy.
I heard once that this whole discussion would be totally different if we didn't enter the jet age as there was all kinds of stuff being experimented with on high altitude piston engines. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_injection_(engine) was a fun talk with a old aircraft mechanic. If only things like that were a bit more explored and used then we would be seeing more of this as normal and not limited to the drag or hot rod crowd.
IMO
It is funny though that at the mere thought of adding nitrus people start to jump to the conclusion that it will ruin the engine and all will be lost. That's not really the case if/when done well, and a car can be perfectly happy.
I heard once that this whole discussion would be totally different if we didn't enter the jet age as there was all kinds of stuff being experimented with on high altitude piston engines. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_injection_(engine) was a fun talk with a old aircraft mechanic. If only things like that were a bit more explored and used then we would be seeing more of this as normal and not limited to the drag or hot rod crowd.
IMO