Tire Advice Needed
Drifting
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From: Another Ex pat Brit in SoCal
Stay with Pirelli - go P-Zero Nero M&S
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....e1=yes&place=9
You get a great tire, better tire life, great price $151 each, quality you can trust (unlike some of the unknown brands)
Have them on the wife's 986 now - no complaints what so ever.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....e1=yes&place=9
You get a great tire, better tire life, great price $151 each, quality you can trust (unlike some of the unknown brands)
Have them on the wife's 986 now - no complaints what so ever.
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Stay with Pirelli - go P-Zero Nero M&S
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....e1=yes&place=9
You get a great tire, better tire life, great price $151 each, quality you can trust (unlike some of the unknown brands)
Have them on the wife's 986 now - no complaints what so ever.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....e1=yes&place=9
You get a great tire, better tire life, great price $151 each, quality you can trust (unlike some of the unknown brands)
Have them on the wife's 986 now - no complaints what so ever.
Drifting
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From: Another Ex pat Brit in SoCal
Yes, if you compare the tire specs, and look at the wear grade quoted by Pirelli, the P-Zero Rosso has a rating of 220, against the P-Zero Nero of 400.
A grade of 400 would indicate the tread would last almost twice as long as the 220 tire.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/Compar...li&RunFlat=All
I wouldn't recommend them if I wasn't already using them on a car - they appear to be the compromise of price, wear, grip, quality etc I was looking for.
Nice look on the car as well - not that looks is the deciding factor, but you do want them to complement the car and not look like tractor tires!
A grade of 400 would indicate the tread would last almost twice as long as the 220 tire.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/Compar...li&RunFlat=All
I wouldn't recommend them if I wasn't already using them on a car - they appear to be the compromise of price, wear, grip, quality etc I was looking for.
Nice look on the car as well - not that looks is the deciding factor, but you do want them to complement the car and not look like tractor tires!
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Just take the UTQG ratings with a grain of salt and be an informed consumer.
Great discussion though.
Great discussion though.
Drifting
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From: Another Ex pat Brit in SoCal
Mmmmm interesting when you do the side by side comparison on TireRack.com
The P-Zero Nero comes out ahead across the board on customer sat
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/Compar...i&startIndex=0
The P-Zero Nero comes out ahead across the board on customer sat
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/Compar...i&startIndex=0
Drifting
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From: Another Ex pat Brit in SoCal
Just take the UTQG ratings with a grain of salt and be an informed consumer.
Great discussion though.
Great discussion though.
Comparing between manufacturers is a lot harder.
My experience would back up the numbers - and then when you look at the stats from the customer surveys on TireRack.com, they back up the numbers as well.
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Have question on Michelin PS 2 that i have on my 02 996- I've Ps2 on car now and just got new set of rims with PS2- want to be sure i've these on car correctly.
Deckman indicated the PS 2 are both directional and can't be flipped on rim- I see these tires are marked with "outside" so they are mounted correctly on rim.
However i don't see any directional signs/arrows on any of my PS 2 showing rotation direction and wondering how i know which direction the rotation should be. Other directional tires clearly indicate with arrow or say rotation with arrow- i don't see that the PS 2 have this. My old RA1 were not directional
Are the Michelil PS 2 definitely directional? How do i tell which direction they go? Thanks
Deckman indicated the PS 2 are both directional and can't be flipped on rim- I see these tires are marked with "outside" so they are mounted correctly on rim.
However i don't see any directional signs/arrows on any of my PS 2 showing rotation direction and wondering how i know which direction the rotation should be. Other directional tires clearly indicate with arrow or say rotation with arrow- i don't see that the PS 2 have this. My old RA1 were not directional
Are the Michelil PS 2 definitely directional? How do i tell which direction they go? Thanks
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Dutchie,
I've got a set of 225/18 Pzero rosso's taken off my 02 targa with good tread left... don't now the exact x/32's, but they can be had for cheap as they're just taking up space in the garage. I can snap some pics if you'd like. Would most definitely last longer than your current rears would. PM me if you likey.
I've got a set of 225/18 Pzero rosso's taken off my 02 targa with good tread left... don't now the exact x/32's, but they can be had for cheap as they're just taking up space in the garage. I can snap some pics if you'd like. Would most definitely last longer than your current rears would. PM me if you likey.
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Have question on Michelin PS 2 that i have on my 02 996- I've Ps2 on car now and just got new set of rims with PS2- want to be sure i've these on car correctly.
Deckman indicated the PS 2 are both directional and can't be flipped on rim- I see these tires are marked with "outside" so they are mounted correctly on rim.
However i don't see any directional signs/arrows on any of my PS 2 showing rotation direction and wondering how i know which direction the rotation should be. Other directional tires clearly indicate with arrow or say rotation with arrow- i don't see that the PS 2 have this. My old RA1 were not directional
Are the Michelil PS 2 definitely directional? How do i tell which direction they go? Thanks
Deckman indicated the PS 2 are both directional and can't be flipped on rim- I see these tires are marked with "outside" so they are mounted correctly on rim.
However i don't see any directional signs/arrows on any of my PS 2 showing rotation direction and wondering how i know which direction the rotation should be. Other directional tires clearly indicate with arrow or say rotation with arrow- i don't see that the PS 2 have this. My old RA1 were not directional
Are the Michelil PS 2 definitely directional? How do i tell which direction they go? Thanks
I have a set of Bridgestone S-02 on 8 & 11 x 18 hollow spoke turbo OEM wheels I need to sell. They are a direct fit for 996 Turbo and C4S. PM me if anyone has an interest.
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IF you want to save some money go with this OEM tire -- the Brigestone RE050A in N0 or N1. I have them on my 997S Cab in 19 in. They are also avail. in 18. Price-wise you will save considerably over the Pirellis and Michelins, and yet they wear longer than either of those.
I just put four new ones on my 2006 the other day.
I just put four new ones on my 2006 the other day.
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Yes, thank you for pointing that out. I am dealing with the same concern as the OP. I will have PS2's on the front with considerable life left in them when I need rears. Tire Rack offers the Sport Ribs and Costco shows the Pilot Sport, (not Pilot Sport 2) as available. So is it better to mix tires designs or increase the size by 10 mils? Probably the size change, I think. A couple of posters in this threat mentioned using 295's on the rear. Adds a touch of understeer, I guess, but probably not enough for me to notice.
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What a coincidence, I was just talking tires w/ an old M3 buddy of mine yesterday. There was a big deal about this on the M3 forums a while back and the board was split between the OEM Michelin Pilot Sport or General UHP (General is a sub-brand of Continental); the minority, of course, were General UHP owners. Those that bought the OEM Michelin Pilot Sport claimed that they could tell a difference on the street and those that bought the General UHP disagreed. One of the well-known members who is a professional engineer whupped out the physics and calculus and to show everybody that a 0.03 difference in lateral G at above 0.90g was not perceptible by humans so everybody was wasting their money on the OEM Michelins for street driving.
Anyway, I started looking at the Sumitomo HTR Z III's, but my friendo gave me a ribbing about other P-car owners would disown me for putting a Japanese tire on a German car, LOL. If you read the test results from Tirerack.com, then you will see that the Sumitomo are pretty dang good.
Then again, I started reading about Porsche's N-rating system and that is a big influence on my decision as well.
///Michael
Anyway, I started looking at the Sumitomo HTR Z III's, but my friendo gave me a ribbing about other P-car owners would disown me for putting a Japanese tire on a German car, LOL. If you read the test results from Tirerack.com, then you will see that the Sumitomo are pretty dang good.
Then again, I started reading about Porsche's N-rating system and that is a big influence on my decision as well.
///Michael