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Old 08-04-2008, 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Tippy
So, if the alternator is carrying the entire load, how is that bad on the electronics? Battery is just storage.

Before you say it will go a long way, what car are you speaking of?
It's bad for electronics because the ground would be floating if you pull the negative terminal of the battery.

The best way is to just take a simple volt meter and measure voltages like springgeyser mentioned.
Old 08-04-2008, 12:43 PM
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Battery test - load test and ~12 volts static after a full charge.

Alternator test - I myself would look for readings above 13.5 volts when car running.
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Old 08-04-2008, 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Tippy
Before you say it will go a long way, what car are you speaking of?
2001 C4. 15 mile commute over approximately 35-45 minutes in the winter. I could watch the charge on the battery drain on my gauge. I think I did this a total of four times over two days while waiting for the part.
Old 08-04-2008, 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Ubermensch
2001 C4. 15 mile commute over approximately 35-45 minutes in the winter. I could watch the charge on the battery drain on my gauge. I think I did this a total of four times over two days while waiting for the part.
Well ok, summer would of been a different outcome, would we not agree?
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Originally Posted by Tippy
Ok, I will buy that, maybe. The alternator is not grounded to the battery, it is grounded through the motor then through the chassis. So, removing the negative to me is not a big deal. If a cell falls (corrosion) from suspension in the battery, grounds the battery out, and ruins the battery, that would be the same as removing the ground to a point. Maybe off base but that is how I see it.

If a cell falls and "grounds" the battery out, you have a short.
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So what was the outcome??
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Hey folks - it's the alternator...I'm going to attempt to pull it myself tonight, I've found these instructions for Secondary Air Injection removal. http://p-car.com/996/diy/sai/mainpage.html To anyone who has ever removed their alternator, are all of these steps necessary to remove the alternator? Anything to suggest/add to these instructions? Thx again for all the help
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Yes, I will add one part of the instruction that will make your life easier.

When you loosen the bolt that goes through the idler pulley, back it off a couple of turns and then tap the bolt head with a hammer until the bolt is flush with the pulley.

This will drive the bushing in the alternator back a little to allow clearance.

In the instructions they say it will be a little tight, if you do this, it will come out very easy. Remember the wire are back there though.
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Originally Posted by Tippy
Yes, I will add one part of the instruction that will make your life easier.

When you loosen the bolt that goes through the idler pulley, back it off a couple of turns and then tap the bolt head with a hammer until the bolt is flush with the pulley.

This will drive the bushing in the alternator back a little to allow clearance.

In the instructions they say it will be a little tight, if you do this, it will come out very easy. Remember the wire are back there though.
Thanks Cory, how much clearance should this yield (how much is too far?)
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Originally Posted by omnipresent
Thanks Cory, how much clearance should this yield (how much is too far?)
If you back it off a couple of turns or so and tap the bolt head flush (back against the pulley), that is good enough. You are just trying to make a little clearance.

When you retighten the bolt, the bushing will clamp back around the bracket it is affixed to and the gap will be closed.
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Tippy's advice is dead on in terms of loosening things up. You shouldn't need a pry bar as described in those instructions if you follow his advice.
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Thanks again - I'm not the most mechanically inclined, I'll update when I get it pulled (which is looking like Thursday) FWIW, I'm having my OEM rebuilt here in Dallas
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Okay, got it pulled - thanks again Cory for that helpful hint - I remembered to tap the bolt head flush - but didn't remember to retighten it!!! D'oh!
I studied the instructions I posted above from P-Car.com, and managed to skip a lot of steps. After pulling the airbox, I only removed a few vacuum hoses, a bracket and a total of 6 or so bolts/nuts...If I can do this, I would suggest anyone with the time and even a slight bit of wrench turning saavy, this is a DIY
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Now that it's out just change the voltage regulator!


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