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Old 02-08-2008, 12:59 PM
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I think (IIRC) that my S2000 and M3 had ~15% drivetrain loss. I mean the whole thing about dynoing is that it's not a perfect science especially the way us hobbyists are doing it on discounted dyno days at your local dyno shop watering hole.

I would've figured the Carrera 2s had less than 15% on avg. Curious to know what the approximations are between the 2s and the 4s.
Old 02-08-2008, 01:09 PM
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That doesn't to look bad. Compare it with the dyno charts from K&N in a 3.6l
http://www.kandn.com/dynocharts/63-7000.pdf
Old 02-08-2008, 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by 1999Porsche911
In the 996 NA engine, it is normal to have a power drop at around 5500 rpm as that is when the ressonance valve is thrown open.
The resonance valve is vacuum operated, it should be fully open the second you drop the throttle.
Old 02-08-2008, 01:27 PM
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I'm not trying to pour salt on the wound, but my '95 993 with a chip pulled the same numbers, and I thought at the time it was somewhat low. I would have expected the early 996's to be in the 260s.
Old 02-08-2008, 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Tippy
The resonance valve is vacuum operated, it should be fully open the second you drop the throttle.
No it is not. It is a combinatiion of vacuum and electronically controlled. It opens and closes at various rpm ranges.
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Originally Posted by 1999Porsche911
No it is not. It is a combinatiion of vacuum and electronically controlled. It opens and closes at various rpm ranges.

When I had my intake off, if we are talking about the same thing, only had a vacuum hose going to it. I dont remember an electric plug.

The big butterfly valve inside the plenum right?

The one that the vacuum hose comes from the "T" off of the brake booster port?
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My 964 dyno flattens our at 5500, but just for and instant, then gains again. It does not go down, however. I've never seen one that did that, not normally anyway.
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Was the rear engine cover open? I got similar results with mine open (although my curve was smoother). I read a few threads suggesting that it's necessary for the cover to be closed in order for the engine to reach full power. Apparently it's some kind of engine management "feature".
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Hmmm...that's interesting. My engine cover's always been open.
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Hey Ben,

Nice new avitar. Do they all belong to you? Maybe we need to start calling you Big Daddy (lol). Just kidding man, have a great weekend.
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Originally Posted by Tippy
When I had my intake off, if we are talking about the same thing, only had a vacuum hose going to it. I dont remember an electric plug.

The big butterfly valve inside the plenum right?

The one that the vacuum hose comes from the "T" off of the brake booster port?

The butterfly valve (tuning flap) in the back crossover tube is controlled by the electric changeover valve (sits right above alternater) which recieves it's vacuum supply from a reserve canister on top of the engine. There is no interface with the brake booster port.

The tuning flap is normally open and operates as follows:

Open from 700 to 3120 rpm and from 5120 rpm .

Closed from 3120 to 5120 rpm , if the throttle is also more than 30 % open at the same time.
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Is this a TIP car? They tend to dyno lower.
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Originally Posted by 1999Porsche911
The butterfly valve (tuning flap) in the back crossover tube is controlled by the electric changeover valve (sits right above alternater) which recieves it's vacuum supply from a reserve canister on top of the engine. There is no interface with the brake booster port.

The tuning flap is normally open and operates as follows:

Open from 700 to 3120 rpm and from 5120 rpm .

Closed from 3120 to 5120 rpm , if the throttle is also more than 30 % open at the same time.
Maybe the '99 is different? I dont remember a vacuum pod on top of the motor connecting to the valve.

I remember snapping the plastic line that leads to the resonance valve coming from the rear port on the drivers side bank intake plenum where it was "T'ed" to.
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Originally Posted by ericdee
Is this a TIP car? They tend to dyno lower.
Good point. Autos have more drivetrain loss, same as awd. You could also have an ailing tq converter perhaps. I'm not a fan of Dynojets. I would try to get it dyno'd on a proper dyno (Mustang) and do at least 3 pulls to have any real idea of your baseline. Where was this done? What were the conditions and how many pulls did you do?

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