Quick Rant: Whats wrong with the Porsche Designers?
01-15-2008, 04:45 PM
#16
Three Wheelin'
One area where I question the Porsche designers is with trying to make the Cayenne and Panamera look like a 911. It doesn't work. The 911 design works for the 911 obviously, and tweaking that for the Cayman and Boxster works very well IMO. They have their own style that is similar, but unique. They are also cars with sporting heritage which makes making them look like 911 spawn work. However, the Cayenne and Panamera are something totally different. Making them look like a Porsche did not necessarily mean they needed to look like a bigger form or interpretation of the 911. That simply does not work IMO. I think those two should have been molded in their own right and perhaps they were, but to me the Carrera GT worked so well because it wasn't a 911 made into a super car. It was something they started with a blank canvas. Perhaps they did that with the Cayenne and Panamera, but it doesn't appear that way to me. It appears more like they tried to make them look too much like the 911.
01-15-2008, 05:52 PM
#18
Banned
One area where I question the Porsche designers is with trying to make the Cayenne and Panamera look like a 911. It doesn't work. The 911 design works for the 911 obviously, and tweaking that for the Cayman and Boxster works very well IMO. They have their own style that is similar, but unique. They are also cars with sporting heritage which makes making them look like 911 spawn work. However, the Cayenne and Panamera are something totally different. Making them look like a Porsche did not necessarily mean they needed to look like a bigger form or interpretation of the 911. That simply does not work IMO. I think those two should have been molded in their own right and perhaps they were, but to me the Carrera GT worked so well because it wasn't a 911 made into a super car. It was something they started with a blank canvas. Perhaps they did that with the Cayenne and Panamera, but it doesn't appear that way to me. It appears more like they tried to make them look too much like the 911.
01-15-2008, 06:28 PM
#19
Three Wheelin'
You seem to challenge every thread asking for more pics or stating that you would not do what the person did.
You obviously did not buy a Porsche for it's racing heritage and will no doubt not take your Porsche on a track, since you do not know any difference between what works on the track and what is only for looks (i.e. CCW wheels are great for the track but may not be aesthetically appealing for the street compared to other wheels).
I have gone along with you on some items, but amazed to see your responses in a lot of other areas. I know this is not new to a lot of people on here, but I have one big question:
What do you have to offer this forum
I think the only thing you do have to offer this forum is entertaiment and that is why knowone takes you seriously.
Yes this is probably a surprise to you to hear this from me Ben, but I speak the truth. I appreciate your feedback on the things I have done to my car, and you have had a little to do with that, but not much. But I own a Porsche that will change over time and will be tracked, basically what the car is designed for. Sure it looks good, but aesthetics do not make the car faster around a track. Yes it is nice to tell people I own a Porsche, but to tell them that I track it and how great a car it is to drive on the track and still drive it on the street is even better.
Bottom-line is that the Porsche 911 is not going to become a supercar like Lambo's, Ferrari's and one-of designs that are out there, the CGT fills that void. The next generation of 911 is probably going to be slightly different than the 997. Keep in mind that the design is perfect for a car that is track worthy and as a Daily Driver where other cars mentioned are not.
01-15-2008, 06:50 PM
#20
Team Owner
I'm sorry Ben but I have to question why you actually own a Porsche since you do not like any design of there's (except the CGT, which if anyone hates has a serious issue with there eyes and ears).
You seem to challenge every thread asking for more pics or stating that you would not do what the person did.
You obviously did not buy a Porsche for it's racing heritage and will no doubt not take your Porsche on a track, since you do not know any difference between what works on the track and what is only for looks (i.e. CCW wheels are great for the track but may not be aesthetically appealing for the street compared to other wheels).
I have gone along with you on some items, but amazed to see your responses in a lot of other areas. I know this is not new to a lot of people on here, but I have one big question:
What do you have to offer this forum
You seem to challenge every thread asking for more pics or stating that you would not do what the person did.
You obviously did not buy a Porsche for it's racing heritage and will no doubt not take your Porsche on a track, since you do not know any difference between what works on the track and what is only for looks (i.e. CCW wheels are great for the track but may not be aesthetically appealing for the street compared to other wheels).
I have gone along with you on some items, but amazed to see your responses in a lot of other areas. I know this is not new to a lot of people on here, but I have one big question:
What do you have to offer this forum
Dismissing everyone that doesn't offer anything to the forum but their unique personality and $18 a year wouldn't make for a very enjoyable place, I'm afraid. <snaps ruler on desk> Maybe there should be a ban on all gratuitous comments and you can only post one line at a time, well-researched with citations, and if the others don't deem it worthy, out you go!
<shakes head>
01-15-2008, 06:59 PM
#21
Three Wheelin'
Calling Ben to the principal's office! Ooh, you're in trouble now! They must-a be gonna kick you out because you don't bring anything to the table!
Dismissing everyone that doesn't offer anything to the forum but their unique personality and $18 a year wouldn't make for a very enjoyable place, I'm afraid. <snaps ruler on desk> Maybe there should be a ban on all gratuitous comments and you can only post one line at a time, well-researched with citations, and if the others don't deem it worthy, out you go!
<shakes head>
Dismissing everyone that doesn't offer anything to the forum but their unique personality and $18 a year wouldn't make for a very enjoyable place, I'm afraid. <snaps ruler on desk> Maybe there should be a ban on all gratuitous comments and you can only post one line at a time, well-researched with citations, and if the others don't deem it worthy, out you go!
<shakes head>
01-15-2008, 08:00 PM
#22
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
I'm not trying to say that the car pictured is the perfect sedan, but the renderings I've seen of the Panamerica look fugly. I agree with blk on blk 100%...they seem to be trying to make the cayenne and panamerica look like the 911...or resemble a 911. I just think they are trying to incorporate styling cues that don't work.
01-15-2008, 08:11 PM
#23
Rennlist Member
At the end of the day, people will buy the car just because of the badge. I love the quattroporte (sp?) because it is the sexier looking 4 door between the two in that price range.
01-15-2008, 08:12 PM
#24
Three Wheelin'
01-15-2008, 08:30 PM
#25
Three Wheelin'
Although I appreciate aggressive designs, it seems that many conservative designs look better longer. My guess is that having a consistent design over time helps maintain prices of Porsches, BMW's, etc. They're recognizable regardless of the year. They look different, but not dated.
01-15-2008, 08:39 PM
#26
Ironman 140.6
Rennlist Member
Rennlist Member
I'm sorry Ben but I have to question why you actually own a Porsche since you do not like any design of there's (except the CGT, which if anyone hates has a serious issue with there eyes and ears).
You seem to challenge every thread asking for more pics or stating that you would not do what the person did.
You obviously did not buy a Porsche for it's racing heritage and will no doubt not take your Porsche on a track, since you do not know any difference between what works on the track and what is only for looks (i.e. CCW wheels are great for the track but may not be aesthetically appealing for the street compared to other wheels).
I have gone along with you on some items, but amazed to see your responses in a lot of other areas. I know this is not new to a lot of people on here, but I have one big question:
What do you have to offer this forum
I think the only thing you do have to offer this forum is entertaiment and that is why knowone takes you seriously.
Yes this is probably a surprise to you to hear this from me Ben, but I speak the truth. I appreciate your feedback on the things I have done to my car, and you have had a little to do with that, but not much. But I own a Porsche that will change over time and will be tracked, basically what the car is designed for. Sure it looks good, but aesthetics do not make the car faster around a track. Yes it is nice to tell people I own a Porsche, but to tell them that I track it and how great a car it is to drive on the track and still drive it on the street is even better.
Bottom-line is that the Porsche 911 is not going to become a supercar like Lambo's, Ferrari's and one-of designs that are out there, the CGT fills that void. The next generation of 911 is probably going to be slightly different than the 997. Keep in mind that the design is perfect for a car that is track worthy and as a Daily Driver where other cars mentioned are not.
You seem to challenge every thread asking for more pics or stating that you would not do what the person did.
You obviously did not buy a Porsche for it's racing heritage and will no doubt not take your Porsche on a track, since you do not know any difference between what works on the track and what is only for looks (i.e. CCW wheels are great for the track but may not be aesthetically appealing for the street compared to other wheels).
I have gone along with you on some items, but amazed to see your responses in a lot of other areas. I know this is not new to a lot of people on here, but I have one big question:
What do you have to offer this forum
I think the only thing you do have to offer this forum is entertaiment and that is why knowone takes you seriously.
Yes this is probably a surprise to you to hear this from me Ben, but I speak the truth. I appreciate your feedback on the things I have done to my car, and you have had a little to do with that, but not much. But I own a Porsche that will change over time and will be tracked, basically what the car is designed for. Sure it looks good, but aesthetics do not make the car faster around a track. Yes it is nice to tell people I own a Porsche, but to tell them that I track it and how great a car it is to drive on the track and still drive it on the street is even better.
Bottom-line is that the Porsche 911 is not going to become a supercar like Lambo's, Ferrari's and one-of designs that are out there, the CGT fills that void. The next generation of 911 is probably going to be slightly different than the 997. Keep in mind that the design is perfect for a car that is track worthy and as a Daily Driver where other cars mentioned are not.
01-15-2008, 08:45 PM
#27
Nordschleife Master
