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Old 06-28-2007, 02:05 PM
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Default Diferences enginewise between MKI C2 and MKI GT3?

Anyone knows them?
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3.4L vs. 3.6L
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Oh, i thought the platform was the same...
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actually I think I might be wrong not sure
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I dont think the 3.6L was introduced before the MKII
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Originally Posted by Raty
Anyone knows them?
Nothing in common. You need to ask this over on the GT3 forum. There are several MkI GT3 owners over there that can fill you in.

Those that think the GT3 is a C2 all "tuned-up" couldn't be more further from the truth. They share aesthetics (skin, plastic crap, etc.)
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Originally Posted by LVDell
Nothing in common. You need to ask this over on the GT3 forum. There are several MkI GT3 owners over there that can fill you in.

Those that think the GT3 is a C2 all "tuned-up" couldn't be more further from the truth. They share aesthetics (skin, plastic crap, etc.)
That's what I kind of thought, at least that they shared the same platform.
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How are you defining platform?
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Engine, transmission and frame (not this last two in this case, since I know the GT3 has a lighter frame and better trans)
I was just refering to as if both are 3.4L
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Originally Posted by Raty
Engine, transmission and frame (not this last two in this case, since I know the GT3 has a lighter frame and better trans)
I was just refering to as if both are 3.4L

acutally, the c2 has a lighter frame than the gt3. the c4 and the MKII gt3 share the same chassis, stiffer but heavier than the c2 chassis. suspension components are of the same design but are not identical. wheel carriers are model specific (mainly due to the larger brakes on the gt3). gt3 shocks can be used on a c2 because they use the same geometry. gt3 rear control arms are identical to those on the c2 but the gt3 uses split lower control arms on the front. these split arms can also be used on the c2.

engine wise, they are different. different block and different oiling. the gt3 is derrived from the gt1 block. the 996 engine is a wet sump. transmissions are model specific too.
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thx for breaking it up and for the info
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I have the GO N.45/99 21/7/1999 Porsche Press release announcing the MK1 GT3 and it's differences. If anyone interested let me know i can copy/past it here.
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Originally Posted by zicoramone
I have the GO N.45/99 21/7/1999 Porsche Press release announcing the MK1 GT3 and it's differences. If anyone interested let me know i can copy/past it here.

please do
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Originally Posted by karlooz
please do
GO/17.12.98 No. 126/1998

The Porsche 911 GT3 hits the streets in May 1999

Super sporting vehicle with impressive performance data

Stuttgart: Dr. Ing. h. c. F. Porsche AG, Stuttgart is extending the 911 model range in May 1999 with a particularly sporty version: the 911 GT3 has 360 HP (265 kW) and accelerates from 0 to 100 km/h in 4.8 seconds. These performance data will set new standards, and at the same time are documented proof of the hidden potential of the 911 Carrera design. The 911 GT3 is the legitimate successor of the ''RS'' model.

The Porsche motor sport engineers have increased the cubic capacity of the water-cooled engine from 3.4 to 3.6 litres. Thanks to numerous modifications and the use of components from the GT1 power unit as well as the transmission of the 911 GT2, the 911 GT3 has 360 HP (265 kW). The maximum torque is 370 Nm (274 ftlb.) at 5,000 revolutions per minute.

This performance, an increase of 20 per cent on the 911 Carrera, leads to remarkable performance data that are clearly above those of the current 300 HP Carrera. The 911 GT3 sprints from 0 to 200 km/h in 15.8 seconds (911 RS ''993'' 17.8 seconds) and requires only 6.7 seconds for an acceleration from 80 to 120 km/h.

Of course, Porsche has adapted the brake system and the entire running gear to match this high performance. As a result, the 911 GT3 has even better handling properties and high active safety.

Identifying features of the 911 GT3 include a new front end, tasteful side sills, a fixed rear wing, red brake calipers and new 18-inch Sport Design wheels. The GT3 is 30 mm lower than the 911 Carrera.

The new 911 GT3, which forms the basis for homologation for use in motor sport, will be presented to the public for the first time at the Geneva Automobile Salon in March 1999. The first road vehicles will be delivered in Europe from mid-May onwards.

Not available in North America.
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GO/21.7.1999 No. 45/99

The 911 GT3. The 911 GT3 Clubsport.

Unlike other cars in its class, the new 911 GT3 wasn't created on a computer. It's the work of a team of engineers with hands-on experience of the world's greatest circuits. A worthy successor to the legendary 911 Carrera RS.

The new 911 GT3 is available in two variants: as a base version and as a Clubsport version. It represents the perfect symbiosis of driver and car, offering unrivalled immediacy and precision of response. It's more agile, and has performance to spare. It's more direct, and built with one aim in mind: to get there faster. It's also unmistakably Porsche. Stunning performance is not an issue. This car delivers sheer driving pleasure, without any compromises. And that doesn't just apply to the racetrack.

The New World-Class Athlete

A new lap record at Nürburgring. The first production car to lap the northern circuit in less than 8 minutes. To be precise, the new Porsche 911 GT3 takes 7:56 minutes to complete this exercise, provided the driver is a real professional. This result alone impressively and objectively confirms the great success of Porsche's development engineers creating a new top-of-the-range athlete in Weissach with unparalleled performance of the highest standard. A car which also offers superior agility and handling in connection with a high standard of active safety.

Discreet in its looks - supreme in its performance

The visible modifications of the GT3 versus the 911 Carrera remain discreet and quite reserved. The most significant highlights are the new rear end, discreet side-sills, the rear wing fixed in position, red brake callipers and 18-inch light-alloy wheels in sports design. The front wheels come as standard with 225/40 ZR 18 tyres, the tyre dimensions at the rear are 285/30 ZR 18. Getting its power to the road through this superior drive technology, the 911 GT3 accelerates to 100 km/h in just 4.8 seconds and reaches 200 km/h in 15.8 seconds. Acceleration in fifth gear from 80 - 120 km/h, in turn, takes 6.7 seconds, and the car's top speed is 302 km/h or 187 mph.

The engine: Le Mans all the way

Developing maximum output of 265 kW (360 bhp) at 7200 rpm and maximum torque of 370 Newton metres or 273 lb-ft at 5000 rpm, the 3.6-litre power unit excels through its compact dimensions, superior smoothness, out-standing power reserves, "beefy" torque curve and quick, fast-revving response. A further significant factor is the reduction in fuel consumption versus the previous Carrera RS: Achieving a composite consumption figure of 12.9 litres/100 km or 21.9 mpg Imp according to the EU standard, the GT3 requires 0.9 litres less fuel for each 100 km than its predecessor.

The "heart" of the GT3, of course, is the power unit based on the water-cooled flat-six already featured in the Le Mans-winning 911 GT1. Clearly, technologies that have already proven their qualities under the toughest racing conditions guarantee supreme reliability also in a production sportscar. Typical examples are the special surface treatment of the crankshaft and the use of high-quality materials such as titanium on the connecting rods. The rods connecting the pistons and the crankshaft are indeed made in a particularly elaborate process ensuring optimum strength even at very high engine speeds (the engine of the GT3 revs up to 7600 rpm) plus the speed reserves required on a racing engine (up to approximately 9000 rpm).

The transmission: again a product of Porsche Motorsport

Power is transmitted on the 911 GT3 by a six-speed manual gearbox developed from the racing transmission already featured in the 911 GT2. All six transmission ratios on this gearbox reserved exclusively to the GT3 have been carefully matched to the speed and performance of both the engine and the car itself.
To meet motorsport requirements, Porsche's engineers have given particular attention to the following points in designing and developing the transmission:
Simple replacement of individual gears adjusting the car to different race tracks
Quick replacement of parts (for example synchromesh rings) subject to far greater wear in motorsport than in road traffic
Ample allowance for the additional requirements made of an even more powerful racing car based on the 911 GT3

The suspension: lower, firmer, more dynamic

When it comes to the car's suspension, the GT3 once again impressively proves Porsche's experience in motorsport extended in this case up to the very limit of current sportscar technology. The entire suspension is designed and built for sporting performance, superior handling and equally outstanding driving safety. The suspension concept carried over from the 911 Carrera has been adjusted to meet the specific requirements of even greater performance and handling, also in motor racing. Apart from the general technical features on both the front and rear axle required for this purpose, this includes, inter alia:

Lowering of the car's centre of gravity (plus modified kinematics) by approximately 30 mm

Adjustable anti-roll bars and a spring system suitable for racing requirements adjustable in itself to different tracks and road features
A wider range of axle geometry adjustment for the use of racing tyres
And, last but not least, reinforcement of major components such as the swivel points and front wheel bearings for the possible use of racing tyres

Stopping power: brakes more powerful than ever before

While the brake system is by and large the same as in the 911 Carrera, it has been optimised in its dimensions and in some major design features. The ABS anti-lock brake system, in turn, remains unchanged.
Compared with the 911 Carrera, the four-piston aluminium fixed monobloc brake callipers front and rear are even larger and sturdier than before. Whenever required, they are thus able to hold the perforated, inner-vented brake discs firmly in position. Measuring 330 mm or 13.00" (911 Carrera: 318 mm/12.52") in diameter at the front and also 330 mm/13.00" (911 Carrera: 299 mm/ 11.77") at the rear, the brake discs are 34 mm or 1.34" (911 Carrera: 28 mm/1.10") wide on the front wheels and measure 28 mm/1.10" (911 Carrera: 24 mm/0.94") in width on the rear wheels. As a result, the GT3 offers even more stopping power and shorter stopping distances than the 911 Turbo (993).

The cockpit: a clear reflection of the car's performance

Leather-covered bucket seats made of reinforced plastic replace the usual 911 seats in the GT3, guaranteeing not only optimum side support, but also excellent comfort both on long distances and when entering/leaving the car. An advantage really important with a sportscar of this calibre is that the new seats save approximately 20 kg in weight. Similar weight-reduction measures are also to be found behind these extra-light bucket seats, the entire rear-seat section having been dropped to reduce the overall weight of the car by another 8 kg.
The new 911 GT3 is also available in special Clubsport guise, a version developed in particular for the aspiring racing enthusiast wishing to participate in motorsport without being obliged to make any special modifications requiring official approval. The most prominent feature in this case is the roll cage bolted directly on to the body of the car and now, unlike the configuration on the earlier 911 Carrera RS models, integrating the spring strut supports on the rear axle in the interest of enhanced stability. As a result, forces from the suspension are transmitted not only into the body of the car, but also directly into the roll cage. Under tough racing conditions this means that forces generated in the area of the rear spring struts cause only minimum deformation of the car's body.

Highlights
Supreme performance and handling
The new Porsche 911 GT3 accelerates to 100 km/h in a mere 4.8 seconds, then reaching the 200 km/h-mark in another 11 seconds. It subsequently continues progressing at this pace all the way to its top speed of 302 km/h or 187 mph. Proving its abilities on N�rburgring, the GT3 has already set up a new lap record for production cars, completing an entire lap on the northern circuit in just 7:56 minutes. Designed and built for very sporting, agile handling, this new Porsche sportscar literally hugs the road while ensuring a forgiving response and remaining easy to control even in extreme situations.

Where all the power comes from - the aluminium engine block
The 3.6-litre power unit is a further development of the six-cylinder horizontally-opposed boxer engine already featured in the 911 GT1, developing up to 370 Newton metres (273 lb-ft) of torque transmitted to the rear wheels via a six-speed manual gearbox. Maximum output at 7200 rpm is 265 kW or 360 bhp.

Stopping power - equally efficient and impressive

The brake system has been appropriately enhanced on all four wheels featuring reinforced four-piston monobloc fixed callipers with compensation of uneven wear and perforated, inner-vented brake discs increased in diameter to 330 mm or 13.00". As a result, the GT3 offers even better deceleration and stopping power than the 911 Turbo (993).
Unlike other cars in its class, the new 911 GT3 wasn't created on a computer. It's the work of a team of engineers with hands-on experience of the world's greatest circuits. A worthy successor to the legendary 911 Carrera RS.
The new 911 GT3 is available in two variants: as a base version and as a Clubsport version. It represents the perfect symbiosis of driver and car, offering unrivalled immediacy and precision of response. It's more agile, and has performance to spare. It's more direct, and built with one aim in mind: to get there faster. It's also unmistakably Porsche. Stunning performance is not an issue. This car delivers sheer driving pleasure, without any compromises. And that doesn't just apply to the racetrack.

The GT3 is not available for sale in North America. This vehicle is not certified to U.S. safety and emissions requirements.
The new 911 GT3 is a sports car designed very much with everyday road use in mind. But with the power reserves you'd expect from a Porsche. That's because the new 911 GT3 is also a racing car built for speed. Anything else just wouldn't be worthy of the Porsche name.

The GT3 engine is an evolution of the powerplant used in the Porsche 911 GT1, the car that brought a 50th anniversary Porsche one-two at Le Mans in 1998. The body is based on that of the 911 Carrera, while transmission, steering and chassis are all designed for motorsport success and can be set up to match individual circuit characteristics.

The 6-speed manual gearbox. Sportscar performance in comfort.
The gear ratios have been carefully selected to ensure powerful, seamless acceleration through the gears. With its dual-mass flywheel and sports clutch, the six-speed gearbox in the new 911 GT3 has been developed with both performance and comfort in mind. The ratios for gears 2 to 6 can be easily changed to suit specific circuit characteristics.

A single-mass flywheel is fitted to the 911 GT3 Clubsport to meet the special demands of racing, allowing revs to build even faster.

The Steering. Precision is everything.

In common with most Porsches, the new GT3 features highly responsive rack-and-pinion steering. Passive safety is further enhanced by the safety steering column, which allows for 100 mm of deformation in the event of frontal impact. Weight is kept low thanks to an aluminium intermediate shaft, while the shroud and steering-lock housing are made of die-cast magnesium.
The steering wheel offers 40 mm of reach adjustment. Together with the seat-height adjustment facility, this ensures that every driver can find the optimum driving position.
The new 911 GT3 has a turning circle of just 10.6 meters, making for perfect handling on the road - and on the racetrack.

The exhaust system. Stereo sound, stereo efficiency

There's only one thing that counts when it comes to the exhaust system on a Porsche: reducing emissions. The 911 has two completely separate exhaust systems, one for each bank of cylinders. Each exhaust system includes a catalytic converter with metal supports designed to withstand high temperatures and vibration. The supports also have a relatively high thermal conductivity, which means the catalysts heat up more quickly, resulting in greater efficiency.

Twin Lambda probes monitor each bank of cylinders as well as the gas composition in each of the exhaust systems. Separate monitoring of the air/fuel mixture makes for a more efficient reduction in harmful emissions. The twin exhaust systems also help reduce exhaust back-pressure and increase air throughput, thereby improving both performance and torque.

The engine. Built for the track, ideal for the road.

The new 911 GT3 engine was developed from the flat six used in the 911 GT1. The aluminium crankcase is vertically split, with the cylinder block, cylinder head and camshaft housing forming a single unit, one for each bank of cylinders.

The compression ratio of 11.7:1 delivers an impressive 73.6 kW/l or 100 hp/l. Inlet and exhaust ports are specially machined to increase flow to the combustion chambers and reduce exhaust resistance. The eight-bearing crankshaft is plasma-nitrided. Titanium con rods help reduce the weight of moving masses and therefore improve engine response. The twin inlet and exhaust valves are arranged in a V formation at an angle of 27.4 degrees. Valve springs control the closing of the valves, and the valve train also features integrated hydraulic tappets.

Porsche's patented VarioCam variable valve timing system adjusts the inlet valve timing as engine speed increases, to minimise emissions and maximise power. At medium revs, VarioCam selects a setting that boosts torque, while higher up the rev range the system helps to optimise performance.

The rear-mounted, naturally aspirated engine is extremely compact and combines minimal vibration with an abundance of power and a broad, flat torque curve. The 3.6 litre unit develops 265 kW (360 hp) at 7,200 rpm, with maximum torque of 370 Nm at 5,000 rpm.

But that's not all. The engine also delivers the typical Porsche sound.


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