Nail in Tire
12-19-2006, 08:56 AM
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In high school and college, I probably had my tires plugged 1000 times and I never complained. 
Originally Posted by BlackCab996
I probably plugged over 1,000 tires during high school while working in a garage. We never received one complaint from a customer. I have also plugged many of my own tires due to nails. That said, patching is better, and only plug if the nail is in or near the middle of the tread. Sidewalls obviously can't be fixed at all, and I would not repair anything that is on the outer part of the tread. But, as many people have said, if you are going "normal" highway speeds, or even speeding a bit, but nothing excessive, you should be fine. If you are going to DE events or a track, both of which obviously put much more stress on your tires, throw the current ones away and get new rubber.
12-19-2006, 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by BCMAGNUM
I have my rear michelin Sport CUP plugged and went for 4 track days and 2 Auto X.
Fortunately, the nail was 3 inches from the center, not too close to the side wall.
I see no problem for plug or patch, just ensure you check you tire pressure regularly.
Fortunately, the nail was 3 inches from the center, not too close to the side wall.
I see no problem for plug or patch, just ensure you check you tire pressure regularly.
MPSC are heat cycled to death after about 4 hard track days. You can use them longer but they aren't the same tire anymore.
12-19-2006, 10:39 AM
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More Info on Patching
12-19-2006, 10:50 AM
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Problem with that link is that the evidence is anecdotal at best. While I agree that a tire might very well last with a plug/patch I am just not taking that calculated risk. And that is what it boils down to. Do you want to take that calculated risk?
Keep in mind this is strictly for city daily driving that I don't find it to be a serious problem where recovery from rapid loss of pressure can be corrected much easier than at 150+mph on the track.
Keep in mind this is strictly for city daily driving that I don't find it to be a serious problem where recovery from rapid loss of pressure can be corrected much easier than at 150+mph on the track.
12-19-2006, 11:18 AM
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Consider two events: Event A: you drive with good tires, hit a nail or something, and in few seconds or minutes, one tire is empty or almost empty. Event B: you drive with a plugged tire and the plug fails.
If you say never to use plug, then you think B has a lot higher probability than A. I don't think so, since A happened to me twice in my lifetime. I also used plug few times, and B never happened to me.
If you plug the tire, inspect the plug regularly, and drive slower, you might be safer just because you drive slower.
If you say never to use plug, then you think B has a lot higher probability than A. I don't think so, since A happened to me twice in my lifetime. I also used plug few times, and B never happened to me.
If you plug the tire, inspect the plug regularly, and drive slower, you might be safer just because you drive slower.
12-19-2006, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by mkc4s
Consider two events: Event A: you drive with good tires, hit a nail or something, and in few seconds or minutes, one tire is empty or almost empty. Event B: you drive with a plugged tire and the plug fails.
If you say never to use plug, then you think B has a lot higher probability than A. I don't think so, since A happened to me twice in my lifetime. I also used plug few times, and B never happened to me.
If you plug the tire, inspect the plug regularly, and drive slower, you might be safer just because you drive slower.
If you say never to use plug, then you think B has a lot higher probability than A. I don't think so, since A happened to me twice in my lifetime. I also used plug few times, and B never happened to me.
If you plug the tire, inspect the plug regularly, and drive slower, you might be safer just because you drive slower.
You would need to aquire the data for both sets and make a decision from there. I would be willing to bet even though I have ZERO empirical data to support my claim, that there has been AT LEAST one case of a plug not holding. So then take yourself back to scenario A and B. Which one would you feel better about.......slow decrease in tire pressure till empty or rapid loss?
12-19-2006, 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by mkc4s
If you plug the tire, inspect the plug regularly, and drive slower, you might be safer just because you drive slower.
12-19-2006, 11:40 AM
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spider......you hit the nail on the head (pun intended). This debate could very well be just like the oil debate of 0W-40 v. 15W-50. Nobody on either side will be convinced otherwise.
As you said...... "oh I give up". With you on that one
As you said...... "oh I give up". With you on that one
12-19-2006, 03:04 PM
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AAAARGH! I pulled out of the garage this morning and noticed that the car was REEEALY pulling to the left. Flat tire. This is the fourth one (in three cars) in two months. We have a lot of new construction in the area...
We'll see what the dealer says.
We'll see what the dealer says.
12-19-2006, 03:06 PM
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damn hamilton! that sucks!!! I am on my 4th tire (2 on the CAB, 1 on the GT3, 1 on the Cayenne) in 3 months in a new construction neighborhood as well. Really chaps my *** 
12-19-2006, 04:56 PM
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Dutchie,
I looked up whether you have PSM, and since you do I will tell you that you MAY have problems with undesired PSM intervention if you replace the rears with a different tire than your front tires. I had that problem with Potenzas in back and Continentals in front. But I have a 4S so it might have also had something to do with the 4wd.
Good luck with your problem!
I looked up whether you have PSM, and since you do I will tell you that you MAY have problems with undesired PSM intervention if you replace the rears with a different tire than your front tires. I had that problem with Potenzas in back and Continentals in front. But I have a 4S so it might have also had something to do with the 4wd.
Good luck with your problem!
12-20-2006, 05:14 PM
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Well, I got my tire patched and balanced... paid $45. I will keep the car at under 100MPH, which I probably should anyhow given the shower of tickets I received in the last couple of months... see this as a preventative thing to me!
I do have on emore question... I have some 'junk/sticky stuff' on my rims from where balance weights used to be. Any suggestions on how I take that off?
I do have on emore question... I have some 'junk/sticky stuff' on my rims from where balance weights used to be. Any suggestions on how I take that off?
12-20-2006, 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by cdodkin
Thanks Dell, I need some of that as well.
Pepboys type product or Homedepot?
Pepboys type product or Homedepot?