Spacers vs Handling ?
#1
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Spacers vs Handling ?
I posted this over on the 997 forum but it was suggested I post this here too. Hopeing to hear fronm the track day guys. OK, I searched the forum for my question and all I can find is some posted were people have put various sized wheel spacers on to help give the car a more agressive look.
So far nothing has been said about what wheel spacers do for the handling or ride of the car. Do spacers change the geometry of the suspensions to provide any good or bad handling traits for the car? How much extra weight do spacers add to the suspension?
thanks, Mike
So far nothing has been said about what wheel spacers do for the handling or ride of the car. Do spacers change the geometry of the suspensions to provide any good or bad handling traits for the car? How much extra weight do spacers add to the suspension?
thanks, Mike
#2
I don't think you notice any difference in driving...I got 15mm in the back since a couple of weeks...makes the P look much better, but no handling difference...and I love to corner hard and make the car drift a little while doing this....and no difference...maybe guys that track have another opinion??
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7mmF 15mmR. No noticable change in handling. I really like the subtle enhancement to the look of the car. The only minus with the the mod is you need extra long lug bolts which means I gave up the security (keyed) bolt. I didn't look too hard but maybe there are long security bolts available?
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Thanks for all the reply's. I posted this on some of the other Rennlist forums hoping to get a track guys point of view too. I will let you all know what I learn.
Dealer say's anything much over 5mm or more puts undue stress on the longer bolts. I do not want that!
Dealer say's anything much over 5mm or more puts undue stress on the longer bolts. I do not want that!
#10
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Originally Posted by washington dc porsche
So 19in rims changes the geometry of a 996 but spacers don't? Come on fellas which is it?
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In theory 19 inch wheels the same width and same offset as 18s don't change anything as long as the tires are of similar diameter.
As for spacers, the best way to envision what they are doing is to imagine two foot spacers. Imagine the extra stress they would put on your wheel bearings, how they would change your suspension geometry and where the wheel pivots when it turns. The same is true for 15 mm spacers. Just less.
I sure wouldn't worry about 5 or 7 mm spacers on the track but I don't think I would use too much more. Having said that, I have 7 mm f and 15 mm r on my street 996 just to make it look good.
Jim
As for spacers, the best way to envision what they are doing is to imagine two foot spacers. Imagine the extra stress they would put on your wheel bearings, how they would change your suspension geometry and where the wheel pivots when it turns. The same is true for 15 mm spacers. Just less.
I sure wouldn't worry about 5 or 7 mm spacers on the track but I don't think I would use too much more. Having said that, I have 7 mm f and 15 mm r on my street 996 just to make it look good.
Jim
#12
Widening the track on your car will actually help the handling. I know in time trials it's considered a 'mod' over 5mm so it must be helping. Wider is better. Look at the cup cars, they have molded fenders and super wide wheels. It's not for looks in their case. Go for it. However I think there is a limit where it will be helpful I wouldn't go over 15mm. My 19s have the correct offset so I don't worry but if I ran the stock 18s I'd want the spacers for racing.
#13
Increased track width = less weight transfer = increased road holding at that axle.
Increasing track by the use of wheel spacers changes the steering geometry (Ackerman I think?) and also like JimB said puts more load on your wheel bearings.
Increasing track by the use of wheel spacers changes the steering geometry (Ackerman I think?) and also like JimB said puts more load on your wheel bearings.
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Originally Posted by bowmanm98
Widening the track on your car will actually help the handling. I know in time trials it's considered a 'mod' over 5mm so it must be helping. Wider is better. Look at the cup cars, they have molded fenders and super wide wheels. It's not for looks in their case. Go for it. However I think there is a limit where it will be helpful I wouldn't go over 15mm. My 19s have the correct offset so I don't worry but if I ran the stock 18s I'd want the spacers for racing.
A wider car is theoretically better but a modern Porsche suspension is a tricky thing. Also, adding spacers is adding extra stress to a street suspension that is already under extra stress on the track.
At the end of the day, it is unlikely that you will have any trouble with reasonably sized spacers on the track. It is equally unlikely that you will see any advantage.
Jim
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thanks...these are the type of post's I was looking for.