Who has gone from a 993 -> a 996?
#16
Originally Posted by LUISJR993
I sold my 95 993 and got a GT3. I would not have changed the 993 for a 996 older than an 02 (and even then) I would have probably stayed with the 993. I miss my 993 badly and wish I could have both cars.
It's almost as if they are two different brands of auto, both worth having for different reasons.
#17
Originally Posted by mrsullivan
so, does this mean that you are glad you switched to the 996tt? Do you miss your 993 C4S? What do you like better about the 996tt, etc.? my Porsche is not a daily driver, weekends only... is that your application too? (looks like you have a S4)
Every design is a compromise. I gave up the raw nature of the 993 for a TT that has mind bending performance. TT = everyday supercar!
Cheers,
#18
Originally Posted by LUISJR993
I sold my 95 993 and got a GT3. I would not have changed the 993 for a 996 older than an 02 (and even then) I would have probably stayed with the 993. I miss my 993 badly and wish I could have both cars.
Is there a place that shows the changes by year for the 996?
#19
Originally Posted by Mark Wilson
Luis (and others who say '02 model), I'm just starting the education process on the 996 and know that the headlights were changed, but what else is different on '02 up that causes you to say this. What is the price range low to high on a well kept stock '02 C2?
Is there a place that shows the changes by year for the 996?
Is there a place that shows the changes by year for the 996?
#20
FWIW I would go with an 01 rather than an 02... Most importantly, it is the last year of the 3.4L engine so it seems all the gremlins were worked out. Secondly, it has some of the minor stylistic changes of the 02... like LEDs for interior lights, revised bumper (improved airflow)... the only main difference is the front headlights and no glovebox.
#21
Originally Posted by rcg412
FWIW I would go with an 01 rather than an 02... Most importantly, it is the last year of the 3.4L engine so it seems all the gremlins were worked out. Secondly, it has some of the minor stylistic changes of the 02... like LEDs for interior lights, revised bumper (improved airflow)... the only main difference is the front headlights and no glovebox.
#22
Originally Posted by mrsullivan
funny... a lot of the quirks you mention with the 993 interior are the reasons i love it so much... i love the fact that there is still wood under the floor mounted pedals and that the interior feels like the older cars...
#23
I never understood "character" and "quirks", always thought that is an excuse made up by English / Italian car owners.
anyway, it is not too difficult to put more "character" in your 996.
1. install narrower wheel, and skinnier tires.
2. permanantly disable PSM.
3. permanantly disable heat seater.
4. take out some of freon, so Air won't blow so cold.
5. install smaller sway bar
6. install same size tires all the way around, to create more oversteer.
7. install old 70s SC seats (for more feel on butt)
8. block a couple of vents, so heater also won't work too well.
9. gut the muffler for more character sound.
10. install Pep Boy's audio system, for inferior sound.
11. disable electronic ignition, install points.
12. install carburator instead of fuel injection.
13. take out the carpet insulation.
14. remove sound deadening material.
15. disable keyfob remote
pretty sure there is a lot more to upgrade to better "character"
anyway, it is not too difficult to put more "character" in your 996.
1. install narrower wheel, and skinnier tires.
2. permanantly disable PSM.
3. permanantly disable heat seater.
4. take out some of freon, so Air won't blow so cold.
5. install smaller sway bar
6. install same size tires all the way around, to create more oversteer.
7. install old 70s SC seats (for more feel on butt)
8. block a couple of vents, so heater also won't work too well.
9. gut the muffler for more character sound.
10. install Pep Boy's audio system, for inferior sound.
11. disable electronic ignition, install points.
12. install carburator instead of fuel injection.
13. take out the carpet insulation.
14. remove sound deadening material.
15. disable keyfob remote
pretty sure there is a lot more to upgrade to better "character"
#24
02 Carrera - you make some great points. I'd love to consider the '02 up, but part of the beauty of an getting an early 996 is that I sell the 993, put $$ in the bank and still have a newer car. I may get a later 996 in the future, but if I do a trade soon, I'll prolly go with '99/'00. Maybe the '02 can be the next step. These pics are my Porsche progression so far- 70E, 79SC, 97 C4S.
Last edited by Mark Wilson; 02-18-2013 at 12:01 AM.
#25
Originally Posted by 02 Carrera
There are much more sustantual body changes than indicated with most of the body being different including both bumpers front fenders and rear quarters that reduce lift 15% in front and 40% in back. Unfortunately, none of these changes existed on the 01'. There are substantual suspension revisions and chassis reinforcements. Not only was the displacement increased, but also the Variocam Plus system with adjustable timing AND valve lift was added. The Bose stereo is a huge improvement over the previous digital sound...and yes it has real cup holders. The unfortunate side is a MY02' carries about a $10K premium over a comparable 01'.
Generally, the years to get are 01, 03 and 04 (Best one).
#26
I had '95 993 and now '99 C4, all of the above mentioned differences are true, but for the the biggest difference was my mindset betweent he cars, the 993 was a "classic" and it felt like every mile was destroying the value of the car, no track, autocross or driving in the rain. Driving the car became sort of an event. The 996 on the other hand is no classic, the market has beat these cars up for no good reason, the technology is current, I drive this car all the time-more is better- signed up for my first DE event, have and will autocross, take trips, drive in the rain, park on the street, forget to wash it sometimes (not often) and even have started doing some basic maintenance and mods. I'm having a blast with this car because it is a 996. But drive both and decide for yourself.
#27
Originally Posted by bellwilliam
I never understood "character" and "quirks", always thought that is an excuse made up by English / Italian car owners.
anyway, it is not too difficult to put more "character" in your 996.
1. install narrower wheel, and skinnier tires.
2. permanantly disable PSM.
3. permanantly disable heat seater.
4. take out some of freon, so Air won't blow so cold.
5. install smaller sway bar
6. install same size tires all the way around, to create more oversteer.
7. install old 70s SC seats (for more feel on butt)
8. block a couple of vents, so heater also won't work too well.
9. gut the muffler for more character sound.
10. install Pep Boy's audio system, for inferior sound.
11. disable electronic ignition, install points.
12. install carburator instead of fuel injection.
13. take out the carpet insulation.
14. remove sound deadening material.
15. disable keyfob remote
pretty sure there is a lot more to upgrade to better "character"
anyway, it is not too difficult to put more "character" in your 996.
1. install narrower wheel, and skinnier tires.
2. permanantly disable PSM.
3. permanantly disable heat seater.
4. take out some of freon, so Air won't blow so cold.
5. install smaller sway bar
6. install same size tires all the way around, to create more oversteer.
7. install old 70s SC seats (for more feel on butt)
8. block a couple of vents, so heater also won't work too well.
9. gut the muffler for more character sound.
10. install Pep Boy's audio system, for inferior sound.
11. disable electronic ignition, install points.
12. install carburator instead of fuel injection.
13. take out the carpet insulation.
14. remove sound deadening material.
15. disable keyfob remote
pretty sure there is a lot more to upgrade to better "character"
nothing personal... (you started it )
#28
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Originally Posted by riad
The front end changed as you mentioned. The interior really changed, glove box, better more solid feel to the materials in general (and the plastic that is used is a satisfying flat black, not shinny black that looks terrible imho) but the engine also was increased in HP from 296 to 320... which you can feel.
Not to make a big deal about 4 hp, but MY99 has 296 hp, MY00 and MY01 have 300.
I like what missmy993 said, that's how I feel going from a MY82 to my MY01.
There are some pluses to the 3.4l 996, less weight, no variocam plus surge - Some are subjective, I don't like the turbo headlights on narrow bodies and I prefer the cleaner look of the interior w/no glovebox & cupholders.
I was all set to get a 993 when I decided to upgrade my SC. I couldn't stand the way the 996 looked.......and then I drove one.
#30
Originally Posted by Rob in WA
Not to make a big deal about 4 hp, but MY99 has 296 hp, MY00 and MY01 have 300.
98-00 model year 3.4's are rated at 220kw, which = 299.12hp DIN, 295.02hp SAE.
01 model year 3.4 is rated at 221kw, which = 300.48hp DIN, 296.37hp SAE.
So there was only a 1.36hp DIN difference between the earliest 3.4 and the latest.
Seems PCNA marketed the early 996's with SAE ratings and the later 996's with DIN ratings. PCNA also frequently uses 0-60 times for some cars and 0-62mph (100kph) times for others, creating confusion, as for a car in the low 5 sec range, the difference between the two is about .2sec. For a car in the upper 5sec range, the difference is about .3sec, which, when bench racing, seems like a lot.
Also interesting is that the '02 3.6L is rated at 232kw, which = 315.43hp DIN, 311.12hp SAE,
and the '03-'05 (yes, '05 997) 3.6L's are all rated at 235kw, which = 319.51hp DIN, 315.14SAE.
FWIW, the 997 3.8 is rated at 261kw, which = 354.86hp DIN, 350.01hp SAE.
I've also noticed that some publications listed the 996Turbo as 420hp, some as 415hp. This also is the difference in the DIN and SAE rating for that engine.
YMMV, of course.