How much "better" is a 2002-2004 996 compared to a 1999-2000?
#136
WOW! That's a 99....looks great!!
Originally Posted by Nicolaasdb
got a 99...lovin' it........ front facelift and interior mods....about $4K total and it looks and feels much newer now.....
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Jasper:
I haven't read this entire thread, so someone may have already mentioned this but, for what it's worth and since this thread is still alive, I absolutely love my '99 996. I say get the '99 model and take the extra cash and slap an EVOMS supercharger system on it with some high flow cats and race exhaust with suspension and brake mods, then be done with it . . . . . . okay . . . . . . okay, you'll do a little tinkering here and there after that, but that will get you long ways toward where you will definitely want to be. Did I mention that I love my '99 996. My car has over 93,000 miles on it and is still going strong. The EVOMS kit was installed around 72,000 miles.
I haven't read this entire thread, so someone may have already mentioned this but, for what it's worth and since this thread is still alive, I absolutely love my '99 996. I say get the '99 model and take the extra cash and slap an EVOMS supercharger system on it with some high flow cats and race exhaust with suspension and brake mods, then be done with it . . . . . . okay . . . . . . okay, you'll do a little tinkering here and there after that, but that will get you long ways toward where you will definitely want to be. Did I mention that I love my '99 996. My car has over 93,000 miles on it and is still going strong. The EVOMS kit was installed around 72,000 miles.
#138
Originally Posted by StuartFirm
Jasper:
I haven't read this entire thread, so someone may have already mentioned this but, for what it's worth and since this thread is still alive, I absolutely love my '99 996. I say get the '99 model and take the extra cash and slap an EVOMS supercharger system on it with some high flow cats and race exhaust with suspension and brake mods, then be done with it . . . . . . okay . . . . . . okay, you'll do a little tinkering here and there after that, but that will get you long ways toward where you will definitely want to be. Did I mention that I love my '99 996. My car has over 93,000 miles on it and is still going strong. The EVOMS kit was installed around 72,000 miles.
I haven't read this entire thread, so someone may have already mentioned this but, for what it's worth and since this thread is still alive, I absolutely love my '99 996. I say get the '99 model and take the extra cash and slap an EVOMS supercharger system on it with some high flow cats and race exhaust with suspension and brake mods, then be done with it . . . . . . okay . . . . . . okay, you'll do a little tinkering here and there after that, but that will get you long ways toward where you will definitely want to be. Did I mention that I love my '99 996. My car has over 93,000 miles on it and is still going strong. The EVOMS kit was installed around 72,000 miles.
#140
996 Brethren! Let us stop fighting amongst ourselves! Don't we have enough air-cooled old cronies to contend with without dividing ourselves? Beside, we all know my '03 Targa was the greatest Porsche ever made bar none.
#142
Yeah, sorry about that. I actually love all Porsche's but I'm getting sick of some of the biased crap against 996's I read over in aircooled land. I think it's strange and unwarrented.
#143
Three Wheelin'
Originally Posted by 03Targa
Yeah, sorry about that. I actually love all Porsche's but I'm getting sick of some of the biased crap against 996's I read over in aircooled land. I think it's strange and unwarrented.
My air cooled friends are not particularly impressed, but they see the writings on the wall. The GT3 helps our cause.
#144
Originally Posted by jasper
The tide is turning. Today marked the last day I drove my air cooled car for pleasure. The new owner is taking ownership (but not possesion yet - ong story) tomorrow and I'm taking the same of my 996 on monday. After ten years as a dyed in the wool airhead, I'm ascending!
My air cooled friends are not particularly impressed, but they see the writings on the wall. The GT3 helps our cause.
My air cooled friends are not particularly impressed, but they see the writings on the wall. The GT3 helps our cause.
#146
Originally Posted by 03Targa
Yeah, sorry about that. I actually love all Porsche's but I'm getting sick of some of the biased crap against 996's I read over in aircooled land. I think it's strange and unwarrented.
I know many of the purists who were against water cooling. But, to be honest; there never was an air cooled Porsche. I also have a 911 S/C. It is actually oil cooled with additional air cooling. It uses 15 quarts of oil with a 7-quart dry sump and 2 oil coolers: a big one in front and a second one at the engine.
There are a few facts that really kills the whole air cooled/oil cooled philosophy.
1. Porsche has NEVER made a single car with 4-valve heads that was not water cooled. With a higher compression/better breathing 4-valve head, you can not sufficiently cool the head without water cooling to control detonation. Oil does not have sufficient cooling properties for this level of heat reduction.
2. Those famous Porsche 962 race cars had 4-valve heads and were water cooled. Reason: see #1.
3. The 959, the best of the early 911s, had 4-valve heads and was water cooled. Reason: see #1.
4. When the new 996 came out, it's .2L smaller water cooled engine made more HP AND Torque, than the air cooled engine it replaced due to its 4-valve heads.
5. Despite adding weight from larger 4-valve heads, front mounted radiators, a full heating system, a body that is longer and wider; the 996 weighs LESS than a comparable 993.
6. You will never hear these comments at a DE as the newer cars are simply much faster than the older cars. A competant Blue student in a 996-997 can often outrun a top G-stock racer/instructor.
#147
Originally Posted by NNH
The '99-'01s are still great cars. Significant advantages of the '02+ are (IMHO)
- Max torque at lower revs (power diff is less relevant to most driving)
- Proper glove compartment
- Headlights that don't look like a Boxster
Apparently the '02+ also has significantly less lift at speed.
The main reasons I stretched to an '02 were CPO and nicer headlights!
- Max torque at lower revs (power diff is less relevant to most driving)
- Proper glove compartment
- Headlights that don't look like a Boxster
Apparently the '02+ also has significantly less lift at speed.
The main reasons I stretched to an '02 were CPO and nicer headlights!
I like the 2002-2004 headlights better too. Wish they made their way to the CaymanS and new Boxster.
#148
I agree with you on the headlights. When I showed off my new-to-me '03 Targa, to one of my fellow Porsche heads he said I could buy something to update my headlights to his 997, to which I honestly replied "I really like em just the way the are!" He thought for a second and said, "Yeah, I guess I do to. I wonder why people make such a fuss about em?"