"Would I ever buy a 996?"
04-01-2002 | 08:36 PM
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996operator - this certainly is an age-old discussion within the Porsche family: "Porsche blew it when they made the ____ (insert car name here), the ____ (insert favorite Porsche model here) is the best ever made....". I "upgraded" from an 87 Carrera to a 993 C4 Cab about a year ago and immediately missed the 87, for almost all the same reasons that people here are saying they like the 993 better than the 996. The 87 felt quicker (it was not), had a lot more feedback, was harder to drive thus requiring more driver attention and interaction, and sounded much better to me than the 993. I posted a query on the 993 board at that time to this effect and asked if there was anyway to get the old Carrera feeling back. Guess what happened? I got skewered.
I actually thought it funny at the time how all the 993 fanatics would post about the "raw" 993 feeling. I figured either these people never drove an 80s or earlier 911 or had just forgotten. Not too many months later, I bought a second 911, an 86 Turbo, in an attempt to recapture that old feeling while still enjoying the more modern and luxurious 993.
The 993 is a great car, but the 80s Turbo is, for me, the essence of the 911 series (it is as close to driving a go kart on the street that I have experienced). So when people ask me to compare the 2 (believe it or not N/A 993 vs. older 911 Turbo is a fairly frequent topic), I say they are two entirely different cars - the 993 is superior in every way, but the 930 makes me smile every time I drive it. I suspect the 993 die-hards feel the same about their choice of the 993 over the 996, but they don't want to admit to the technical superiority of the 996 quite yet (it is getting hard though, particularly with the 2003 models).
Sorry for the long post -
I actually thought it funny at the time how all the 993 fanatics would post about the "raw" 993 feeling. I figured either these people never drove an 80s or earlier 911 or had just forgotten. Not too many months later, I bought a second 911, an 86 Turbo, in an attempt to recapture that old feeling while still enjoying the more modern and luxurious 993.
The 993 is a great car, but the 80s Turbo is, for me, the essence of the 911 series (it is as close to driving a go kart on the street that I have experienced). So when people ask me to compare the 2 (believe it or not N/A 993 vs. older 911 Turbo is a fairly frequent topic), I say they are two entirely different cars - the 993 is superior in every way, but the 930 makes me smile every time I drive it. I suspect the 993 die-hards feel the same about their choice of the 993 over the 996, but they don't want to admit to the technical superiority of the 996 quite yet (it is getting hard though, particularly with the 2003 models).
Sorry for the long post -
04-01-2002 | 09:18 PM
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ZCAT3/Bill,
I hear you loud and clear and that is my pt. I love all porsches from the classics to the newest one. Execpt, i might need to hold on one sec regarding the SUV. So, yes it is part of the evolution of porsche. They are going to make a better car but like you said not the best feeling for some. It is like golf, I play with old set of blades but I know the cavity back irons are better and easier and that goes ten times the factor regarding the new drivers and *****.
But, i dont go around tell folks who own them they are missing this and that. For one, if the pros drivers are driving the 996's on track then YES 996 is a better car. Faster and safer.
Finally, my pt about the go cart is like driving an old 911 pre 964. So, if the 993 guys want to talk about RAW then they should get a old turbo like yourself and your posting isnt long. Just thoughtful!
I hear you loud and clear and that is my pt. I love all porsches from the classics to the newest one. Execpt, i might need to hold on one sec regarding the SUV. So, yes it is part of the evolution of porsche. They are going to make a better car but like you said not the best feeling for some. It is like golf, I play with old set of blades but I know the cavity back irons are better and easier and that goes ten times the factor regarding the new drivers and *****.
But, i dont go around tell folks who own them they are missing this and that. For one, if the pros drivers are driving the 996's on track then YES 996 is a better car. Faster and safer.
Finally, my pt about the go cart is like driving an old 911 pre 964. So, if the 993 guys want to talk about RAW then they should get a old turbo like yourself and your posting isnt long. Just thoughtful!
04-01-2002 | 10:38 PM
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My sentiments exactly. My friend has a '79 930 turbo and that's as raw as you can get or any other earlier models compared to the 993. It's "all or none" experience meaning if you drive it well it's largely rewarding. I do admit that on looks alone the 993 definitely stands out in the crowd but that doesn't win races- performance does. I just get roused up when a few of the people on the 993 board start dissing everyone's other Porsches. Regards. Mike
04-02-2002 | 02:51 AM
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DJ,
I believe that the current side-impact standard is the one implemented for the '97 model year, and I clearly recall Porsche stating at the 993's introduction that all 993s met that standard even thought it wasn't 1997 yet. No changes were made to the door during the 993s model run. However, as strong and safe as the 993 is, I'm sure the 996 is even safer.
It's clear that many of us can discuss the good and bad points of our favorites and others' favorites without insulting anyone -- this is how it should be. That said, I don't think there is anything wrong with people on the 993 board discussing what they don't like (or do like) about the 996 -- everyone is entitled to his/her opinion. Critiques are legitimate, but it shouldn't get nasty or insulting.
By the way, I absolutely agree that the 993 is far more refined than the earlier cars (especially pre-964), for better AND for worse. I greatly enjoy my 911SC's rawness -- when I drive the 993 after the SC, I find myself going much faster, but not necessarily having any more fun. Of course, sometimes I am having more fun.
I believe that the current side-impact standard is the one implemented for the '97 model year, and I clearly recall Porsche stating at the 993's introduction that all 993s met that standard even thought it wasn't 1997 yet. No changes were made to the door during the 993s model run. However, as strong and safe as the 993 is, I'm sure the 996 is even safer.
It's clear that many of us can discuss the good and bad points of our favorites and others' favorites without insulting anyone -- this is how it should be. That said, I don't think there is anything wrong with people on the 993 board discussing what they don't like (or do like) about the 996 -- everyone is entitled to his/her opinion. Critiques are legitimate, but it shouldn't get nasty or insulting.
By the way, I absolutely agree that the 993 is far more refined than the earlier cars (especially pre-964), for better AND for worse. I greatly enjoy my 911SC's rawness -- when I drive the 993 after the SC, I find myself going much faster, but not necessarily having any more fun. Of course, sometimes I am having more fun.
04-02-2002 | 06:38 PM
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A 993/996 debate? What a great thread! This slippery slope argument goes all the way back to at least the '71-'73 2.4L 911's, and the arguments almost always take the same format:
Older 911 Owner: "I prefer the more visceral and communicative feel of my older 911. Granted, your newer 911 is more comfortable and luxurious and objectively a better performing car."
Newer 911 Owner: "Yes, your older 911 may feel and sound better, but I'm faster on the track, and my car is more luxurious and has more amenities."
This same debate seems to apply to each and every new generation of 911's. I've seen threads where owners of 911 SC's (1978-1983) much prefer their car to a 993 despite the acknowledged huge performance gap. I can only imagine the future debates between 996 owners and the next generation 911...
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Older 911 Owner: "I prefer the more visceral and communicative feel of my older 911. Granted, your newer 911 is more comfortable and luxurious and objectively a better performing car."
Newer 911 Owner: "Yes, your older 911 may feel and sound better, but I'm faster on the track, and my car is more luxurious and has more amenities."
This same debate seems to apply to each and every new generation of 911's. I've seen threads where owners of 911 SC's (1978-1983) much prefer their car to a 993 despite the acknowledged huge performance gap. I can only imagine the future debates between 996 owners and the next generation 911...
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04-02-2002 | 07:42 PM
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I’d like to add my $.02 to this thread. I won’t even try to address the issue of the best 911 other than to say that when I owned an ’84 Carrera, I thought it was the best and now that I own a ’99 996 C2 I think it makes all the 911's that came before look dated. Still, that’s my purely subjective opinion of the moment. Buying a car like a 911 is a very personal choice .... the car has to “reach” you in some way since you can’t really justify the expense rationally .... and there’s no way I will try to argue my subjective choice is better than yours.
I will argue, though, that you can make the 996 just as “visceral” as the 993 or any other 911 if you want. My 6sp C2 coupe is mild by some standards, but with the ROW M030 suspension, RUF exhaust, 18” Kinesis wheels and 225-285 Bridgestone S03’s, and about 150 pounds of weight reduction from using GT3 seats, removing rear seats, GT3 front console delete, etc. the car feels as nimble, responsive and yes, visceral, as my lowered, sport suspension ‘84 Carrera did. And that’s just the subjective feel. Objectively, it completely blows the old car away from a performance standpoint. The only thing missing is the major league steering kickback of the ‘84, but I can’t really say that’s a bad thing.
So, to echo the comments of others, let’s not take pot shots at each other and save it for the Corvettes. As Porsche owners we should be able to appreciate the variety of great cars Porsche has made available to us over the years, and the personal choices our fellow owners have made.
Mike
I will argue, though, that you can make the 996 just as “visceral” as the 993 or any other 911 if you want. My 6sp C2 coupe is mild by some standards, but with the ROW M030 suspension, RUF exhaust, 18” Kinesis wheels and 225-285 Bridgestone S03’s, and about 150 pounds of weight reduction from using GT3 seats, removing rear seats, GT3 front console delete, etc. the car feels as nimble, responsive and yes, visceral, as my lowered, sport suspension ‘84 Carrera did. And that’s just the subjective feel. Objectively, it completely blows the old car away from a performance standpoint. The only thing missing is the major league steering kickback of the ‘84, but I can’t really say that’s a bad thing.
So, to echo the comments of others, let’s not take pot shots at each other and save it for the Corvettes.
As Porsche owners we should be able to appreciate the variety of great cars Porsche has made available to us over the years, and the personal choices our fellow owners have made. Mike
04-02-2002 | 10:27 PM
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I wonder if the real difference is in how many miles a year people will drive their 996's in comparison to 911's, 964's or 993's. I've had an 80 SC Targa, 90C2 Cab tip, 91 C4 manual, and now have a 99 Boxter tip and an 02 996 ttX50. There is no question that 996's are much more conducive to longer trips, daily commuting, and other regular use. The longer service interval is also a key point. I drove all of my cars daily, including snow. The 90C2 Cab and Boxter are poor in bad conditions. All of the 911, 964 and 993 wipers are atrocious in bad weather. My prediction is that regardless of all of the comments regarding preference to 993 or 996, the 996's will be driven a lot more. AS
04-03-2002 | 02:58 AM
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i once owned a 1979 911sc guards red with black full leather interior. i loved it!
now i own a lapis blue 2002 c4s. it's even better!
i feel fortunate to have been able to own both of these great cars-- better than the 4 mercedes,3bmw's,2lexus,and 1saab i owned in the interim. i just wish i'd come back earlier. <img src="graemlins/burnout.gif" border="0" alt="[burnout]" />
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now i own a lapis blue 2002 c4s. it's even better!
i feel fortunate to have been able to own both of these great cars-- better than the 4 mercedes,3bmw's,2lexus,and 1saab i owned in the interim. i just wish i'd come back earlier. <img src="graemlins/burnout.gif" border="0" alt="[burnout]" />
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04-03-2002 | 04:25 PM
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[quote] So, to echo the comments of others, let’s not take pot shots at each other and save it for the Corvettes. <hr></blockquote>
LOL !!! Does anyone remember the thread several months ago on the Viper vs. Porsche? 90+ posts of heated "debate"
The 993/996 "discussion" will continue, as others here have pointed out, in much the same way it has in the past over other models (remember those front-engine zaks). I would really love a 928S4 to join my 993 and am envios of someone who had recently posted a shot of his two beauties: G.Red 928&993!!! Sadly, I can't afford both, but am I any less of an enthusiast for favoring one model over another...or for that matter, poo-pooing another model? OTHO, GAG on the Cayenne
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LOL !!! Does anyone remember the thread several months ago on the Viper vs. Porsche? 90+ posts of heated "debate"
The 993/996 "discussion" will continue, as others here have pointed out, in much the same way it has in the past over other models (remember those front-engine zaks). I would really love a 928S4 to join my 993 and am envios of someone who had recently posted a shot of his two beauties: G.Red 928&993!!! Sadly, I can't afford both, but am I any less of an enthusiast for favoring one model over another...or for that matter, poo-pooing another model? OTHO, GAG on the Cayenne
Edward
04-03-2002 | 05:17 PM
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[quote]Originally posted by Edward:
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LOL !!! Does anyone remember the thread several months ago on the Viper vs. Porsche? 90+ posts of heated "debate"
The 993/996 "discussion" will continue, as others here have pointed out, in much the same way it has in the past over other models (remember those front-engine zaks). I would really love a 928S4 to join my 993 and am envios of someone who had recently posted a shot of his two beauties: G.Red 928&993!!! Sadly, I can't afford both, but am I any less of an enthusiast for favoring one model over another...or for that matter, poo-pooing another model? OTHO, GAG on the Cayenne
Edward</strong><hr></blockquote>
Edward,
My comment about saving the criticism for the Corvettes was meant to be tongue in cheek, but I get your point. And I agree with you that we all have "favorites", (I certainly have mine), and that having a preference doesn't make one less of an enthusiast. It's just that there's a not-so-subtle difference between someone saying they prefer a 993 over a 996 and someone else saying that a 996 isn't a real Porsche for whatever reason (not air-cooled, too refined, etc. etc.) That's just a non-starter for me.
Mike
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LOL !!! Does anyone remember the thread several months ago on the Viper vs. Porsche? 90+ posts of heated "debate"
The 993/996 "discussion" will continue, as others here have pointed out, in much the same way it has in the past over other models (remember those front-engine zaks). I would really love a 928S4 to join my 993 and am envios of someone who had recently posted a shot of his two beauties: G.Red 928&993!!! Sadly, I can't afford both, but am I any less of an enthusiast for favoring one model over another...or for that matter, poo-pooing another model? OTHO, GAG on the Cayenne
Edward</strong><hr></blockquote>
Edward,
My comment about saving the criticism for the Corvettes was meant to be tongue in cheek, but I get your point. And I agree with you that we all have "favorites", (I certainly have mine), and that having a preference doesn't make one less of an enthusiast. It's just that there's a not-so-subtle difference between someone saying they prefer a 993 over a 996 and someone else saying that a 996 isn't a real Porsche for whatever reason (not air-cooled, too refined, etc. etc.) That's just a non-starter for me.
Mike
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04-03-2002 | 05:59 PM
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Wow...Flames everywhere!!! 996 operator you really have to calm down and accept that Porsches are Porsches and this mine is better than yours is...sorry Pathetic!!!Respecting other peoples opinion is part of the charm of being an enthousiast.
The FACT is that the 993 is a very different animal than the 996. Just the fact that it is the LAST aircooled Porsche makes it special and dear to hold on for many of us. When I first drove my friends 996 99 cab I thought wow this car is so easy to drive much like my 968. By the way I'm faster with my 968 on the track than with my 993! Does that make the 968 a better car? Is performance the ultimate judge of a car??? I will not claim here that the 993 is a better car. The reason why I love it so much is because of all it represents and the way it makes me feel. I love the pedals sticking out of the floor, I love the linear braking,the hard clutch. I love the way the instrument cluster is laid out, the way my carbon interior looks, the way the flat 6 smells when its warm, all the quirks and curves of my 993. Yes to me the 993 is the Ultimate exression in automotion (well the 965 3.6 ,I'll take one in black please,comes extremely close) not because of performance but because it steers my soul when I drive it. I will not be afraid to express this when someone asks me on the 993 forum which 911 to choose!!That does not mean I'm flaming 996's!!!
Now if ever a 996 stirs my soul she will be my new musse. Till then you can keep your 996 and I will keep my 993 thank you very much.
But please no flames...just enjoy your Porsche and be thankfull that you have a bunch of very knowledgable and friendly enthousiasts on this board to enchance your driving experience.
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The FACT is that the 993 is a very different animal than the 996. Just the fact that it is the LAST aircooled Porsche makes it special and dear to hold on for many of us. When I first drove my friends 996 99 cab I thought wow this car is so easy to drive much like my 968. By the way I'm faster with my 968 on the track than with my 993! Does that make the 968 a better car? Is performance the ultimate judge of a car??? I will not claim here that the 993 is a better car. The reason why I love it so much is because of all it represents and the way it makes me feel. I love the pedals sticking out of the floor, I love the linear braking,the hard clutch. I love the way the instrument cluster is laid out, the way my carbon interior looks, the way the flat 6 smells when its warm, all the quirks and curves of my 993. Yes to me the 993 is the Ultimate exression in automotion (well the 965 3.6 ,I'll take one in black please,comes extremely close) not because of performance but because it steers my soul when I drive it. I will not be afraid to express this when someone asks me on the 993 forum which 911 to choose!!That does not mean I'm flaming 996's!!!
Now if ever a 996 stirs my soul she will be my new musse. Till then you can keep your 996 and I will keep my 993 thank you very much.
But please no flames...just enjoy your Porsche and be thankfull that you have a bunch of very knowledgable and friendly enthousiasts on this board to enchance your driving experience.
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04-04-2002 | 01:50 AM
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To show how this flaming is carried to ridiculous extremes, even within the 993 board, there are heated arguments between wide body owners (993 C4S,993C2S) versus thin body owners (993 C2, 993 C4), and varioram vs non-varioram cars.
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04-04-2002 | 04:03 AM
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Since everyone is in on this discussion, I tought maybe I'd jump in and add a couple of cents. Maybe you guys would like to hear form a person who owns both of these fine automobiles.
I have a 1997 993 Carrera Cabrio and a 2000 996 Carrera 4. Both are modified, but the 993 a lot more than the 996. See pics below.
993 pic
<a href="http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/Dsc00082.jpg" target="_blank">http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/Dsc00082.jpg</a>
996 pic
<a href="http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/Dsc00027.jpg" target="_blank">http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/Dsc00027.jpg</a>
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I love the look of the 993. No car on earth beats the curves and the lines of it. The 996 on the other hand is very sleek and streamline. It resembled the Boxster too much so I bought an aftermarket GT3 areokit for it. It made it look so much better. I hated the thought of the 911 "Flagship" sharing the looks of lower model Porsche. The 996 is much more aerodynamic then the 993... but in the end I'd opt for a 993... I'd take a areokitted 996 over a stock looking 993, but a I'd take a widebodied or areokitted 993 over a 996 areokitted or not anyday. (this is just based solely on looks)
Performance:
No doubt about it! The 996 is faster, handles better and brakes faster. New technology right? The 996 should thank the 993... it wouldn't have gotten here if it wasn't for it. Logically the 996 is faster than the 993 due to areodynamics.
I had to modify my 993 because the 996 was a little quicker. My 993 is currently 365 HP and my 996 around 330. The 996 only felt quicker during very high speeds, maybe because it's so refined. It's very quiet and comfortable. The 993 feels everybit as quick, but road response through the steering wheel in the 993 is much better. For trips to the mall and going places to park for long periods of time I drive the 996. For quick spirited drives and short parking periods I drive the 993. When they were both stock I Found the 993 to get A LOT more stares than my 996. The 996 is a everyday car and the 993 a weekend car. THe 996 is stealthy in my opinion and the 993 very WOW out there, look at my J Lo Curves. I like my 993 because when I drive it I feel like a race car driver, but in a race I know my 996 would beat it.
In conclusion:
STOCK VS STOCK "looks"- I'd take the 993, the 996 looks too much like my girlfriend's Boxster S
STOCK vs STOCK "performance"- The 996 takes it.
Stock vs Stock "feel"- I'd have to say my 993, the 996 feels to refined like my S500 Merc, but ofcourse MUCH MUCH faster.
I love both my cars to death, I try to buy new things for them whenever I can get a chance (even my girlfriends Boxster)! If I had to sell one I'd reluctantly say that I'd sell the 996. (I'd get more money hahaha).
Both cars are 911s. They always come out newer and more improved. Though the first batch of 996s had to have a few bugs worked out so did the first 993s. We have soooo much in common... can't we all just get along?
I have a 1997 993 Carrera Cabrio and a 2000 996 Carrera 4. Both are modified, but the 993 a lot more than the 996. See pics below.
993 pic
<a href="http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/Dsc00082.jpg" target="_blank">http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/Dsc00082.jpg</a>
996 pic
<a href="http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/Dsc00027.jpg" target="_blank">http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/Dsc00027.jpg</a>
LOOKS:
I love the look of the 993. No car on earth beats the curves and the lines of it. The 996 on the other hand is very sleek and streamline. It resembled the Boxster too much so I bought an aftermarket GT3 areokit for it. It made it look so much better. I hated the thought of the 911 "Flagship" sharing the looks of lower model Porsche. The 996 is much more aerodynamic then the 993... but in the end I'd opt for a 993... I'd take a areokitted 996 over a stock looking 993, but a I'd take a widebodied or areokitted 993 over a 996 areokitted or not anyday. (this is just based solely on looks)
Performance:
No doubt about it! The 996 is faster, handles better and brakes faster. New technology right? The 996 should thank the 993... it wouldn't have gotten here if it wasn't for it. Logically the 996 is faster than the 993 due to areodynamics.
I had to modify my 993 because the 996 was a little quicker. My 993 is currently 365 HP and my 996 around 330. The 996 only felt quicker during very high speeds, maybe because it's so refined. It's very quiet and comfortable. The 993 feels everybit as quick, but road response through the steering wheel in the 993 is much better. For trips to the mall and going places to park for long periods of time I drive the 996. For quick spirited drives and short parking periods I drive the 993. When they were both stock I Found the 993 to get A LOT more stares than my 996. The 996 is a everyday car and the 993 a weekend car. THe 996 is stealthy in my opinion and the 993 very WOW out there, look at my J Lo Curves. I like my 993 because when I drive it I feel like a race car driver, but in a race I know my 996 would beat it.
In conclusion:
STOCK VS STOCK "looks"- I'd take the 993, the 996 looks too much like my girlfriend's Boxster S
STOCK vs STOCK "performance"- The 996 takes it.
Stock vs Stock "feel"- I'd have to say my 993, the 996 feels to refined like my S500 Merc, but ofcourse MUCH MUCH faster.
I love both my cars to death, I try to buy new things for them whenever I can get a chance (even my girlfriends Boxster)! If I had to sell one I'd reluctantly say that I'd sell the 996. (I'd get more money hahaha).
Both cars are 911s. They always come out newer and more improved. Though the first batch of 996s had to have a few bugs worked out so did the first 993s. We have soooo much in common... can't we all just get along?
04-04-2002 | 09:45 AM
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[quote]Originally posted by 996operator:
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So, let me see if any 993 guys out there would take on a stock 996 at the track.
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I would and I have. It usually is a toss up, depends more on the driver. I have had my a$# handed to me by some cars and done the reverse with others.
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So, let me see if any 993 guys out there would take on a stock 996 at the track.
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I would and I have. It usually is a toss up, depends more on the driver. I have had my a$# handed to me by some cars and done the reverse with others.
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04-04-2002 | 10:43 AM
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Greg,
But isnt it true if you were to drive a 996 and a 993 on a race or a track event. Dont you think, you will be driving the 996 faster. I think you are mistaking your ability to drive vs what the car offers. So, if you dont think that a 993 is faster then hey what can we say. You are on your own because you know and I know and everyone else in here knows that isnt the case.
I agree one's ability is the biggest factor but everything being equal. 993 doesnt have a shot against a 996. Also, if you read my post more carefully. STOCK VS STOCK
But isnt it true if you were to drive a 996 and a 993 on a race or a track event. Dont you think, you will be driving the 996 faster. I think you are mistaking your ability to drive vs what the car offers. So, if you dont think that a 993 is faster then hey what can we say. You are on your own because you know and I know and everyone else in here knows that isnt the case.
I agree one's ability is the biggest factor but everything being equal. 993 doesnt have a shot against a 996. Also, if you read my post more carefully. STOCK VS STOCK