I don't care what the 'purists' say, I like my 996...
07-02-2003, 09:30 AM
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I have to admit. One of my favorite cars of all time, and one that I considered for a daily driver, was a 94' 3.6 turbo. I can't deny that shape, sound, etc. I love 'older' 911s. But again, I wanted to drive my car all the time, every day, with an easy transition to the track for some higher stakes driving.
This car is just so easy with which to get along. It works well in every direction, and does very little wrong. It's comfortable and smooth, yet composed and fast. Is it the ultimate track tool? no. You want the ultimate track tool? Save your $80,000 and buy a kart. It'll be the fastest, most hardcore and difficult thing you'll ever do. A weekend at the track in my kart and my 996 feels like a lazy boy.
Yes. 140 is way too fast on the road. Of course, this road is long, straight, smooth, and not heavily travelled. If there is ever another car anywhere near me, I travel at reasonable speeds.
Tracks? Mid Ohio, Grattan, Gingerman, Waterford Hills, for the car. For the kart, South Bend, East Lansing, Jackson, MRP, Point Pelee, and the above car tracks.
This car is just so easy with which to get along. It works well in every direction, and does very little wrong. It's comfortable and smooth, yet composed and fast. Is it the ultimate track tool? no. You want the ultimate track tool? Save your $80,000 and buy a kart. It'll be the fastest, most hardcore and difficult thing you'll ever do. A weekend at the track in my kart and my 996 feels like a lazy boy.
Yes. 140 is way too fast on the road. Of course, this road is long, straight, smooth, and not heavily travelled. If there is ever another car anywhere near me, I travel at reasonable speeds.
Tracks? Mid Ohio, Grattan, Gingerman, Waterford Hills, for the car. For the kart, South Bend, East Lansing, Jackson, MRP, Point Pelee, and the above car tracks.
07-02-2003, 10:03 AM
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I also love my 996 Cab. It's only my 6th Pcar, but I've thoroughly enjoyed every Porsche I've owned... and since my current one is a 996 Cab TipS, I believe that is the best one I've ever owned. In fact I don't know anyone who really was unhappy with their decision to buy whatever Porsche they chose. Since the car is never driven to it's limits I enjoy the stock engine.
Long live the 996
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Long live the 996
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07-03-2003, 12:28 AM
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You rock, man. I like your style! Keep drivin' that 1999 battleship grey fun machine. I came over to the 996 board tonight for some fresh air and I got just what I needed. You've inspired me to drive the living $hit out of my car this year (only owned it for 6 months) and not keep it garaged on rainy days just so it stays clean. I'm a lazy bum and I hate cleaning it <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> .
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07-03-2003, 10:00 AM
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Hey there Steve,
Your car is beautiful.
You're from MD? I grew up in Bethesda. Man do I miss it there.
I found a girl here, though. So I guess I'm sticking around. She puts up with my crap.
Drive the hell out of that thing. That's what it's there for.
Take Care,
Maz
Your car is beautiful.
You're from MD? I grew up in Bethesda. Man do I miss it there.
I found a girl here, though. So I guess I'm sticking around. She puts up with my crap.
Drive the hell out of that thing. That's what it's there for.
Take Care,
Maz
07-03-2003, 11:18 AM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by DonW..from Cape Cod...:
<strong>I also love my 996 Cab...
Long live the 996
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<img src="http://www.fototime.com/46502B20D835838/standard.jpg" alt=" - " /></strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">That is easy for you to say! You have the best looking C4S Narrow-bodied cab out there <img border="0" alt="[thumbsup]" title="" src="graemlins/bigok.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" />
Serioulsy, C4S with the sport exhaust is a great car to own (wish they would make a C2S...). But the only thing is that I wish Porsche would had used the same engine of the GT3 as the basis for the 996.
The important thing here is, as was mentioned, to just enjoy the heck out of the car you have. My first two Porsches were 993s, love every second of ownership. Now I have the 964 and sometime in the next few months, my 951 back on the road.
Do I have the itch for a 996? Yep. But my current cars have kept me happy for now that I can wait to see what the next version of the 911 will look/drive like. But, prices for second hand 996 are tempting.... decisions decisions... and there is always that lust for a 911 Turbo. <img border="0" alt="[burnout]" title="" src="graemlins/burnout.gif" />
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<strong>I also love my 996 Cab...
Long live the 996
<img src="http://www.fototime.com/8F7990AABE867DB/standard.jpg" alt=" - " />
<img src="http://www.fototime.com/46502B20D835838/standard.jpg" alt=" - " /></strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">That is easy for you to say! You have the best looking C4S Narrow-bodied cab out there <img border="0" alt="[thumbsup]" title="" src="graemlins/bigok.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" />
Serioulsy, C4S with the sport exhaust is a great car to own (wish they would make a C2S...). But the only thing is that I wish Porsche would had used the same engine of the GT3 as the basis for the 996.
The important thing here is, as was mentioned, to just enjoy the heck out of the car you have. My first two Porsches were 993s, love every second of ownership. Now I have the 964 and sometime in the next few months, my 951 back on the road.
Do I have the itch for a 996? Yep. But my current cars have kept me happy for now that I can wait to see what the next version of the 911 will look/drive like. But, prices for second hand 996 are tempting.... decisions decisions... and there is always that lust for a 911 Turbo. <img border="0" alt="[burnout]" title="" src="graemlins/burnout.gif" />
<img border="0" alt="[byebye]" title="" src="graemlins/wave.gif" />
07-03-2003, 01:09 PM
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I hate to be a bore, which I must admit many think I am both inside and outside this forum.
As I have said before the 996 is a great car, no question about it, but let's get away from the hardware.
The issue I am really ragging about is that there has been a quiet paradigm shift and depart from tradition at Porsche. Historically when Porsche built the 356 it was available in 2 models: the normal 356 which had a pushrod 4 cylinder wet-sump engine and the Carrera which had an engine based on the 550 Spyder 4 cam, dry-sump racing engine. You paid for the difference.
When the 911 was introduced this differentiation disappeared and the street cars had the an engine in common with the racing program and this became a tradition at Porsche. The racing cars and the street cars were related. There was an active racing program to support this.
Porsche then quietly returned to the original paradigm of building a different street engine and race engine with the 996. This has finally been formalized in the USA with the introduction of the GT3- a car which was available in Europe since 1998.
I realize that Porsche had to do this to keep the company afloat in hard times. I will stipulate that you do not need a racing engine to have an enjoyable street car. I will also agree this is a totally emotional issue for me and I am crazy.
But, I feel much of what people pay for in a Porsche is tradition. Tradition breeds exclusiveness that people will pay for. If Porsche continues to build cars that are not steeped in tradition and does not have an active factory racing program to build tradition, soon they may not be building Porsche's as I have known them, something I would hate to see.... <img border="0" alt="[soapbox]" title="" src="graemlins/soapbox.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[icon107]" title="" src="graemlins/icon107.gif" />
As I have said before the 996 is a great car, no question about it, but let's get away from the hardware.
The issue I am really ragging about is that there has been a quiet paradigm shift and depart from tradition at Porsche. Historically when Porsche built the 356 it was available in 2 models: the normal 356 which had a pushrod 4 cylinder wet-sump engine and the Carrera which had an engine based on the 550 Spyder 4 cam, dry-sump racing engine. You paid for the difference.
When the 911 was introduced this differentiation disappeared and the street cars had the an engine in common with the racing program and this became a tradition at Porsche. The racing cars and the street cars were related. There was an active racing program to support this.
Porsche then quietly returned to the original paradigm of building a different street engine and race engine with the 996. This has finally been formalized in the USA with the introduction of the GT3- a car which was available in Europe since 1998.
I realize that Porsche had to do this to keep the company afloat in hard times. I will stipulate that you do not need a racing engine to have an enjoyable street car. I will also agree this is a totally emotional issue for me and I am crazy.
But, I feel much of what people pay for in a Porsche is tradition. Tradition breeds exclusiveness that people will pay for. If Porsche continues to build cars that are not steeped in tradition and does not have an active factory racing program to build tradition, soon they may not be building Porsche's as I have known them, something I would hate to see.... <img border="0" alt="[soapbox]" title="" src="graemlins/soapbox.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[icon107]" title="" src="graemlins/icon107.gif" />
07-03-2003, 01:41 PM
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...."I feel much of what people pay for in a Porsche is tradition. Tradition breeds exclusiveness that people will pay for. If Porsche continues to build cars that are not steeped in tradition and does not have an active factory racing program to build tradition, soon they may not be building Porsche's as I have"......up to now been willing to pay a premium for.... And "investing" in the SUV market rather than a racing reputation will get Porsche to mere mortal status at light speed.......
I am not gonna pay a premium for a sports car that is related to a SUV........
I am not gonna pay a premium for a sports car that is related to a SUV........
07-03-2003, 02:59 PM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by Cupcar:
<strong>But, I feel much of what people pay for in a Porsche is tradition. Tradition breeds exclusiveness that people will pay for. If Porsche continues to build cars that are not steeped in tradition and does not have an active factory racing program to build tradition, soon they may not be building Porsche's as I have known them, something I would hate to see.... <img border="0" alt="[soapbox]" title="" src="graemlins/soapbox.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[icon107]" title="" src="graemlins/icon107.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Respect your views Cupcar, but can't agree - Porsche does have an active and hugely succesful factory racing program which is directly related to the 996. It's simply changed from fielding factory entries (that historically were remarkably unsuccesfull in the face of privateer or outsourced operations) to supporting many entries (including the Racers Group) and running a massively succesfull one make series at most Grand Prix.
That there are two engine types available within the range is not something I have a problem with - they're both great engines. The 928 and 944/924S 8's and 4's were and are great engines too.
I agree about tradition - Porsche has always been a Car manufacturer that went racing, not the other way around. It's priority has been to produce road cars, not to dominate world motorsport. That it managed for a time to do both was wonderful - but that period did not, does not and should not define the company.
Porsches are not Ferraris thank God, they start first time and can be left out in the snow and don't need to be serviced at enormous expense every 5000 miles......
The current range IMHO remain the best, usable, most affordable sports cars in the world - which is all you can really ask of any Car manufacturer.
<strong>But, I feel much of what people pay for in a Porsche is tradition. Tradition breeds exclusiveness that people will pay for. If Porsche continues to build cars that are not steeped in tradition and does not have an active factory racing program to build tradition, soon they may not be building Porsche's as I have known them, something I would hate to see.... <img border="0" alt="[soapbox]" title="" src="graemlins/soapbox.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[icon107]" title="" src="graemlins/icon107.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Respect your views Cupcar, but can't agree - Porsche does have an active and hugely succesful factory racing program which is directly related to the 996. It's simply changed from fielding factory entries (that historically were remarkably unsuccesfull in the face of privateer or outsourced operations) to supporting many entries (including the Racers Group) and running a massively succesfull one make series at most Grand Prix.
That there are two engine types available within the range is not something I have a problem with - they're both great engines. The 928 and 944/924S 8's and 4's were and are great engines too.
I agree about tradition - Porsche has always been a Car manufacturer that went racing, not the other way around. It's priority has been to produce road cars, not to dominate world motorsport. That it managed for a time to do both was wonderful - but that period did not, does not and should not define the company.
Porsches are not Ferraris thank God, they start first time and can be left out in the snow and don't need to be serviced at enormous expense every 5000 miles......
The current range IMHO remain the best, usable, most affordable sports cars in the world - which is all you can really ask of any Car manufacturer.
07-03-2003, 03:05 PM
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I agree, Porsche has an active customer racing program, but no factory racing program. <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" />
07-03-2003, 03:53 PM
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The cars of the 60's 70's and 80's were very similar in qualitiy and technology.
The 90's brought about a fundemental change in automobile products.
Technology went through the roof.
Cars are reliable, long lasting, safe and mostly economical to own.
Porsche has not been secluded from this growth.
It is no longer necessary to have a race motor in your car in order to have extreme performance.
My 996 is a very fast car. The leap from a 996 to a GT3 race car is enormous, and perhaps the leap in years past was not so great.
But that is not descriptive of Porsche losing it's way. It merely signifies that if you make your road cars so extreme, so race-worthy, and so exclusive, well then you will 'exclude' the broader market.
So they built a road car whose fundementals can be raced with success. They made it streetable, reliable, and easy to appreciate.
Porsche is an automobile manufacturer that uses racing to develop and market their products. And it seems their philosophy works pretty damn well.
Furthermore. I want Cupcar's car. bad.
A Carrera Cup in the States. How cool is that!
Got pictures?
The 90's brought about a fundemental change in automobile products.
Technology went through the roof.
Cars are reliable, long lasting, safe and mostly economical to own.
Porsche has not been secluded from this growth.
It is no longer necessary to have a race motor in your car in order to have extreme performance.
My 996 is a very fast car. The leap from a 996 to a GT3 race car is enormous, and perhaps the leap in years past was not so great.
But that is not descriptive of Porsche losing it's way. It merely signifies that if you make your road cars so extreme, so race-worthy, and so exclusive, well then you will 'exclude' the broader market.
So they built a road car whose fundementals can be raced with success. They made it streetable, reliable, and easy to appreciate.
Porsche is an automobile manufacturer that uses racing to develop and market their products. And it seems their philosophy works pretty damn well.
Furthermore. I want Cupcar's car. bad.
A Carrera Cup in the States. How cool is that!
Got pictures?
07-03-2003, 04:50 PM
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Here's a picture of my Cupcar at an autocross:
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07-03-2003, 05:44 PM
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New, I paid at a list price of $78,340 that was in 1992, now it's an open market. <img border="0" alt="[cherrsagai]" title="" src="graemlins/drink.gif" />
07-03-2003, 06:05 PM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by P1CR:
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It is no longer necessary to have a race motor in your car in order to have extreme performance.
My 996 is a very fast car. The leap from a 996 to a GT3 race car is enormous, and perhaps the leap in years past was not so great.
But that is not descriptive of Porsche losing it's way. It merely signifies that if you make your road cars so extreme, so race-worthy, and so exclusive, well then you will 'exclude' the broader market.
So they built a road car whose fundementals can be raced with success. They made it streetable, reliable, and easy to appreciate.
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">The new GT3 road car is very easy to live with on the road, it has nice squishy rubber top mounts and sits high and gives plenty of understeer -this is the car Porsche should be offering at the 996 price point - but no, Porsche is very clever and using its previous reputation produces a much cheaper car based heavily on the Boxster and makes BIGGG profit margin. Yes the 996 is a good car, but for what you paid, Porsche should have given you a GT3. The words rip and off spring to mind <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />
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It is no longer necessary to have a race motor in your car in order to have extreme performance.
My 996 is a very fast car. The leap from a 996 to a GT3 race car is enormous, and perhaps the leap in years past was not so great.
But that is not descriptive of Porsche losing it's way. It merely signifies that if you make your road cars so extreme, so race-worthy, and so exclusive, well then you will 'exclude' the broader market.
So they built a road car whose fundementals can be raced with success. They made it streetable, reliable, and easy to appreciate.
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">The new GT3 road car is very easy to live with on the road, it has nice squishy rubber top mounts and sits high and gives plenty of understeer -this is the car Porsche should be offering at the 996 price point - but no, Porsche is very clever and using its previous reputation produces a much cheaper car based heavily on the Boxster and makes BIGGG profit margin. Yes the 996 is a good car, but for what you paid, Porsche should have given you a GT3. The words rip and off spring to mind <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />
07-03-2003, 07:06 PM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by TB993tt:
<strong> The words rip and off spring to mind <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Hmmm..... Several other words in combination with off spring to my mind <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />
Perhaps what a load of big hairy dangly things is more to the point - the current 996 base model is priced at hardly any more if not less than the 993 was in base model spec. How many years ago was that? What should inflation have done to the price since then?
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica"><strong>The new GT3 road car is very easy to live with on the road, it has nice squishy rubber top mounts and sits high and gives plenty of understeer </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Strange - not what I've read Walter Rohrl saying about the car - but then I haven't had the luxury of experiencing how balanced it is .....
<strong> The words rip and off spring to mind <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Hmmm..... Several other words in combination with off spring to my mind <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />
Perhaps what a load of big hairy dangly things is more to the point - the current 996 base model is priced at hardly any more if not less than the 993 was in base model spec. How many years ago was that? What should inflation have done to the price since then?
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica"><strong>The new GT3 road car is very easy to live with on the road, it has nice squishy rubber top mounts and sits high and gives plenty of understeer </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Strange - not what I've read Walter Rohrl saying about the car - but then I haven't had the luxury of experiencing how balanced it is .....