SUV? Not Interested. New 911, where is it?
02-14-2002, 05:09 PM
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Mike,
I guess at this pt a moot arguement. but, yes there is no way i am buying one much like any other SUV. so, i hope you are correct and they can use that fat cash pile to bring a great next generation of 911. I dont want to get another middle of the road car with an expensive tag.
But, how does the daker rally with a suv enhance the image? not sure about that but hey better then a cheap cup racing i guess and yes, a 959 does make one wonder if i can take my 911 off road. but, i guess that is the difference.
see you and everyone at the local track with a HOT SUV. oh man if i get smoked by an SUV that adds insult to injury.
I guess at this pt a moot arguement. but, yes there is no way i am buying one much like any other SUV. so, i hope you are correct and they can use that fat cash pile to bring a great next generation of 911. I dont want to get another middle of the road car with an expensive tag.
But, how does the daker rally with a suv enhance the image? not sure about that but hey better then a cheap cup racing i guess and yes, a 959 does make one wonder if i can take my 911 off road. but, i guess that is the difference.
see you and everyone at the local track with a HOT SUV. oh man if i get smoked by an SUV that adds insult to injury.
02-15-2002, 04:54 AM
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Questions for you roschpe;
1) what line of business are you in?
2) what age group do you come in?
3) how many Porsches have you owned to date?
4) why did you purchase your current Porsche?
5) IF the Porsche brand was renamed tomorrow but the product stayed the same, would you buy?
6) what does the word ‘longevity’ mean to you? – feel free to use a dictionary for this one!
7) are you always this aggressive when part-taking in an 'intelligent' discussion?
8) does swearing make your points of view seem more intelligent in your opinion?
9) aren’t you suppose to be doing school homework?
Sorry for the many questions roschpe. I do expect FULL answers by close of school on Tuesday or detention would be served out!
Now to real issues.
Bloke, Bill H and Mike you are all obviously business aware in the 21st Century. Sentiments do not bring business success and, unfortunately, nor does customer loyalty. Business is always strictly business. You buy low and sell high!
In an ideal world Porsche would have big BHP cars weighing less than 500kgs. Well, nothing wrong with dreaming but there is the responsibility aspect of the environment and cost constraints.
As far as I am concerned, I am happy with a car that allows me the opportunity to enhance it to suit me. A Porsche does that as it can be easily tuned to any performance level.
Yes there are other brand s that offers big BHP at less price however I am happy to stick to something that has served me well and been developed over 30 years. Big BHP alone won’t tempt me nor would better 0 – 62MPH figures others are able to produce. What I do know is, on the streets or on a racetrack I can pretty much drive HARD time and time again with a BIG
on my face – the car just eager to be pushed even harder.
another 2 cents worth – please don’t shoot the messenger!
1) what line of business are you in?
2) what age group do you come in?
3) how many Porsches have you owned to date?
4) why did you purchase your current Porsche?
5) IF the Porsche brand was renamed tomorrow but the product stayed the same, would you buy?
6) what does the word ‘longevity’ mean to you? – feel free to use a dictionary for this one!
7) are you always this aggressive when part-taking in an 'intelligent' discussion?
8) does swearing make your points of view seem more intelligent in your opinion?
9) aren’t you suppose to be doing school homework?
Sorry for the many questions roschpe. I do expect FULL answers by close of school on Tuesday or detention would be served out!
Now to real issues.
Bloke, Bill H and Mike you are all obviously business aware in the 21st Century. Sentiments do not bring business success and, unfortunately, nor does customer loyalty. Business is always strictly business. You buy low and sell high!
In an ideal world Porsche would have big BHP cars weighing less than 500kgs. Well, nothing wrong with dreaming but there is the responsibility aspect of the environment and cost constraints.
As far as I am concerned, I am happy with a car that allows me the opportunity to enhance it to suit me. A Porsche does that as it can be easily tuned to any performance level.
Yes there are other brand s that offers big BHP at less price however I am happy to stick to something that has served me well and been developed over 30 years. Big BHP alone won’t tempt me nor would better 0 – 62MPH figures others are able to produce. What I do know is, on the streets or on a racetrack I can pretty much drive HARD time and time again with a BIG
on my face – the car just eager to be pushed even harder.another 2 cents worth – please don’t shoot the messenger!
02-16-2002, 11:39 AM
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As for who are the purists among us, I'm still not convinced the carrera 4 is a real 911...2WD for me!!! <img src="graemlins/burnout.gif" border="0" alt="[burnout]" />
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02-16-2002, 02:18 PM
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Sean
<img src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" border="0" alt="[hiha]" />
Hey, wait a minute, you may be on to something.
Wasn't the first Porsche topless?
So anything with a roof isn't a real Porsche.
Let's bring in the IOC and ISU to settle this controversy
<img src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" border="0" alt="[hiha]" />
Hey, wait a minute, you may be on to something.
Wasn't the first Porsche topless?
So anything with a roof isn't a real Porsche.
Let's bring in the IOC and ISU to settle this controversy
02-16-2002, 07:23 PM
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Mike,
Double <img src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" border="0" alt="[hiha]" /> <img src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" border="0" alt="[hiha]" /> on that last sentence !!!
I think the first Porsche was a tank prototype...and I think it had a turret, but I could be wrong.
I wonder if techart would make me a 911 turret ??
time for some more <img src="graemlins/drink.gif" border="0" alt="[cherrsagai]" />
sean
Double <img src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" border="0" alt="[hiha]" /> <img src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" border="0" alt="[hiha]" /> on that last sentence !!!
I think the first Porsche was a tank prototype...and I think it had a turret, but I could be wrong.
I wonder if techart would make me a 911 turret ??
time for some more <img src="graemlins/drink.gif" border="0" alt="[cherrsagai]" />
sean
02-18-2002, 09:53 AM
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Attention 996 Cab.
It is obvious that ALL Porsches are under powered. Whether you guys want to admit it or not - and whether or not you think that is important or not.
I know the 3 dealers in my area VERY well and they all share the same concerns as me.
So guys do me a favour, lets not pretend that the 911 is just right for its time, maybe it was is 1999. But its 2002 now and a 20HP increase is really just spit in the wind. And they have the effrontery to "offer" a 20hp increase for $20,000?...Oh thank you Porsche, you are too kind....
Come on give me a break
If they continue to be behind the horsepower race in the next generation I won't buy one.
What worries me is that there are people - buyers - out there who accept this. And yeah you are right Porsche doesn't have to do anything else as long as there are people out there willing to accept anything from Porsche.
It is obvious that ALL Porsches are under powered. Whether you guys want to admit it or not - and whether or not you think that is important or not.
I know the 3 dealers in my area VERY well and they all share the same concerns as me.
So guys do me a favour, lets not pretend that the 911 is just right for its time, maybe it was is 1999. But its 2002 now and a 20HP increase is really just spit in the wind. And they have the effrontery to "offer" a 20hp increase for $20,000?...Oh thank you Porsche, you are too kind....
Come on give me a break
If they continue to be behind the horsepower race in the next generation I won't buy one.
What worries me is that there are people - buyers - out there who accept this. And yeah you are right Porsche doesn't have to do anything else as long as there are people out there willing to accept anything from Porsche.
02-18-2002, 10:26 AM
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roschpe,
A dealer(s) tells you that the most powerful normally aspirated 911 to date is underpowered and you believe him?, hmmmm <img src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" border="0" alt="[hiha]" /> .
If Big BHP is your take then why not a TT or visit one of many reputable tuners – Gemballa, Techart, Roock or even RUF.
The 996 is a great drivers car, you’ve just got to know how to drive it! It is not a car for boy racers or lads to drag race. For drag racing buy any V8, spend $$$ tuning it and cause more harm to the environment.
If you are being out-dragged at traffic lights then perhaps, and unfortunately, you are being pre-judged as a boy racer by others. It is an ego thing, just do not get involved.
Keep in mind roschpe, it is not the size that matters it is how you use it.
Sorry!!!
A dealer(s) tells you that the most powerful normally aspirated 911 to date is underpowered and you believe him?, hmmmm <img src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" border="0" alt="[hiha]" /> .
If Big BHP is your take then why not a TT or visit one of many reputable tuners – Gemballa, Techart, Roock or even RUF.
The 996 is a great drivers car, you’ve just got to know how to drive it! It is not a car for boy racers or lads to drag race. For drag racing buy any V8, spend $$$ tuning it and cause more harm to the environment.
If you are being out-dragged at traffic lights then perhaps, and unfortunately, you are being pre-judged as a boy racer by others. It is an ego thing, just do not get involved.
Keep in mind roschpe, it is not the size that matters it is how you use it.
Sorry!!!
02-18-2002, 12:06 PM
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996cab,
"It isnt the size but how you use it."
Now is that what you been told all your life or was that just your last gf.(you did set yourself up for that one).
As for the power issue, if you are happy then hey who am i to argue but really come on dont you want something extra? if you say no, then great but dont start comparing the rest of us who wants some more power with street racers. For, goodness sakes far as i know you got a tip in your car(prejudgement seems like prerequisite for you lads over pond.) SEE WHAT I MEAN.
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"It isnt the size but how you use it."
Now is that what you been told all your life or was that just your last gf.(you did set yourself up for that one).
As for the power issue, if you are happy then hey who am i to argue but really come on dont you want something extra? if you say no, then great but dont start comparing the rest of us who wants some more power with street racers. For, goodness sakes far as i know you got a tip in your car(prejudgement seems like prerequisite for you lads over pond.) SEE WHAT I MEAN.
<img src="graemlins/xyxwave.gif" border="0" alt="[bigbye]" />
02-18-2002, 01:03 PM
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bloke,
nothing personal but something tells me I have offended your boyfriend!!! - sorry if that is the case. No offence intentionally intended.
Big BHP is ok - if that sort of thing turns you on.
As previously pointed out, there are a wealth of tuners who can accommodate virtually everyone. Just a case of how deep your pocket (and ego) is or buy a TT.
I have just purchased a 964RS lightweight. Weighs about 1220kgs, has 260bhp ONLY but boy does it go, stop and handle!
A 996 is a refined GT. It would never be a racer - not at that weight. Buy an RS and you would agree with me that Big BHP is all but a small part in the overall picture of performance. If you don't know that already then I must excuse myself out of this tread.
Only boy racers, kids, lads and nappy wearers look at a cars Big BHP numbers and drool over it. I hope you are not in the same club.
hey....lets be friends bloke!
nothing personal but something tells me I have offended your boyfriend!!! - sorry if that is the case. No offence intentionally intended.
Big BHP is ok - if that sort of thing turns you on.
As previously pointed out, there are a wealth of tuners who can accommodate virtually everyone. Just a case of how deep your pocket (and ego) is or buy a TT.
I have just purchased a 964RS lightweight. Weighs about 1220kgs, has 260bhp ONLY but boy does it go, stop and handle!
A 996 is a refined GT. It would never be a racer - not at that weight. Buy an RS and you would agree with me that Big BHP is all but a small part in the overall picture of performance. If you don't know that already then I must excuse myself out of this tread.
Only boy racers, kids, lads and nappy wearers look at a cars Big BHP numbers and drool over it. I hope you are not in the same club.
hey....lets be friends bloke!
02-18-2002, 01:37 PM
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996,
sure my boyfriend. i will let my wife know that i have decided to move on.
mate, everything is in good fun.
but, i am not going to drive an RS as my daily car but thanks for the advice. maybe next year i can swing in a old classic like yourself.
laterz
sure my boyfriend. i will let my wife know that i have decided to move on.
mate, everything is in good fun.
but, i am not going to drive an RS as my daily car but thanks for the advice. maybe next year i can swing in a old classic like yourself.
laterz
02-18-2002, 02:04 PM
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bloke,
don't be mad at me, I was only stating my point with vigour as I feel Porsche is at last taking steps to secure its future - don't take it personal, relax.
You will get your Big BHP aspirated engine from Porsche, just be patient. They, Porsche, have always followed the same methodical improvement process called development.
We in the UK pay the highest possible prices for cars. 12-months ago Porsche reduced its prices in the UK by up to 8%. That meant anyone purchasing a Porsche in the UK can spend more money where they feel it is worth spending – I can’t comment about US car pricing but I do know they are comparatively less than UK models.
The USA, I understand, is by far Porsches’ biggest market. However, I believe (I could be wrong) that strict emission controls have meant that the US misses out on cars like the GT3 – what a car! So they, Porsche, do make cars for all ‘drivers’. I am sure they, Porsche, are actively looking at ways of introducing what the market dictates when it dictates. The key thing for Porsche is racing, once they are back in Le Mans, Paris to Dakar etc then sparks would definitely fly and we, the public, would be given the opportunity to have wider choices in performance terms – that is if the current models do nothing for you.
My 964RS is for track days mostly - not to be parked away for years on end etc.
don't be mad at me, I was only stating my point with vigour as I feel Porsche is at last taking steps to secure its future - don't take it personal, relax.
You will get your Big BHP aspirated engine from Porsche, just be patient. They, Porsche, have always followed the same methodical improvement process called development.
We in the UK pay the highest possible prices for cars. 12-months ago Porsche reduced its prices in the UK by up to 8%. That meant anyone purchasing a Porsche in the UK can spend more money where they feel it is worth spending – I can’t comment about US car pricing but I do know they are comparatively less than UK models.
The USA, I understand, is by far Porsches’ biggest market. However, I believe (I could be wrong) that strict emission controls have meant that the US misses out on cars like the GT3 – what a car! So they, Porsche, do make cars for all ‘drivers’. I am sure they, Porsche, are actively looking at ways of introducing what the market dictates when it dictates. The key thing for Porsche is racing, once they are back in Le Mans, Paris to Dakar etc then sparks would definitely fly and we, the public, would be given the opportunity to have wider choices in performance terms – that is if the current models do nothing for you.
My 964RS is for track days mostly - not to be parked away for years on end etc.
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996,
mad no mate, that wouldnt be cool at all. everything is in good fun and all for our bloody car.
i know that feeling about paying too much for cars in london, i worked there in 97 so i know that feeling of no parking etc etc and that high theft rate to top it off.
well i hope so. that is all i can say regarding the next generation of 911. as for the states, mabye i should get a honda and that way i wont pay so many speeding tickets. Knock on wood, havent had one in awhile.
As for your RS, the guy who sold me my car is doing the similar convension. He is taking a 73 or something close to that year and sticking in a 993 engine. Now that would be nice to see.
drive well and always quick.
mad no mate, that wouldnt be cool at all. everything is in good fun and all for our bloody car.
i know that feeling about paying too much for cars in london, i worked there in 97 so i know that feeling of no parking etc etc and that high theft rate to top it off.
well i hope so. that is all i can say regarding the next generation of 911. as for the states, mabye i should get a honda and that way i wont pay so many speeding tickets. Knock on wood, havent had one in awhile.
As for your RS, the guy who sold me my car is doing the similar convension. He is taking a 73 or something close to that year and sticking in a 993 engine. Now that would be nice to see.
drive well and always quick.
02-18-2002, 03:47 PM
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[quote]Originally posted by Kevin E Davis:
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If it is a good machine & a successful product, I expect it to "increase the size of the pie" for PAG, & therby meet Roschpe's demand for funds & staff resources to design & build a proper next 911.
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Kinda like how some Porsche owners will never buy a Cayenne, no matter what.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I think you are right. I'm sure that the Cayenne sales will be incremental rather than displacing 911 sales and so the total revenue stream for Porsche should be increased.
Sure, there are bound to be some owners who'll purchase the Cayenne instead of a 911/Boxster but I think they'll be those owners who are more interested in owning a 'Porsche' than the vehicle itself. I guess from Porsche's point of view that's fine too as it will be a new sale anyway.
I could see myself swapping my Dinan'd BMW X5 4.4 sport if the Cayenne were good enough. There's definitely a market at the 300hp+ high performance on-road SUV level, as witnessed by the BMW X5 4.6is and AMG ML320.
That said, I think they've got a lot to live up to against the BMW particularly. Fit, finish and performance are excellent. (I am a little biased). I always felt the Merc was 'cluttered' internally and the styling does nothing for me.
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If it is a good machine & a successful product, I expect it to "increase the size of the pie" for PAG, & therby meet Roschpe's demand for funds & staff resources to design & build a proper next 911.
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Kinda like how some Porsche owners will never buy a Cayenne, no matter what.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I think you are right. I'm sure that the Cayenne sales will be incremental rather than displacing 911 sales and so the total revenue stream for Porsche should be increased.
Sure, there are bound to be some owners who'll purchase the Cayenne instead of a 911/Boxster but I think they'll be those owners who are more interested in owning a 'Porsche' than the vehicle itself. I guess from Porsche's point of view that's fine too as it will be a new sale anyway.
I could see myself swapping my Dinan'd BMW X5 4.4 sport if the Cayenne were good enough. There's definitely a market at the 300hp+ high performance on-road SUV level, as witnessed by the BMW X5 4.6is and AMG ML320.
That said, I think they've got a lot to live up to against the BMW particularly. Fit, finish and performance are excellent. (I am a little biased). I always felt the Merc was 'cluttered' internally and the styling does nothing for me.
