Paint both fenders for $350?
09-20-2005, 12:01 PM
#16
"But, $350 for painting of the fenders is REALLY cheap. Why so cheap? That would throw up red flags for me....$350.00 is way to cheap to paint two Porsche Fenders. Remember you get what you pay for....$350 is way too low for the right amount of labor involved. I'd be a bit cautious...."
You guys are paranoid. Overpaying for things doesn't mean you got better work- it just means you overpaid.
I ran into this when i used to turn wrenches. If you quoted a guy with a Mercedes the same price you'd quote a guy with a Chevy the MB guy would run like hell. "The price is cheap, he must be a hack" was the thinking i guess.
So, i learned to simply double my bill when dealing with people that have more money than sense, and that made them happy. "Wow, that's expensive, this guy must be really good".
We mere blue collar wrench turning peasants used to laugh about that all the time.
Rich guys....lol.
You're getting a fair deal DC Porsche, run with the ball.
You guys are paranoid. Overpaying for things doesn't mean you got better work- it just means you overpaid.
I ran into this when i used to turn wrenches. If you quoted a guy with a Mercedes the same price you'd quote a guy with a Chevy the MB guy would run like hell. "The price is cheap, he must be a hack" was the thinking i guess.
So, i learned to simply double my bill when dealing with people that have more money than sense, and that made them happy. "Wow, that's expensive, this guy must be really good".
We mere blue collar wrench turning peasants used to laugh about that all the time.
Rich guys....lol.
You're getting a fair deal DC Porsche, run with the ball.
09-20-2005, 12:08 PM
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There is a reason poeple hate going to the auto repair shops. GUYS LIKE YOU! Instead of explaining what is involved and the cost you just UNETHICALLY overcharge them. It's called theft. If you guys would take the time to explain PROPERLY and not suggest uneccessary repairs or OVERCHARGE for the same service then you wouldn't be down at the top of the list of places people hate to go (right up there with the dentist).
This thread had NOTHING to do with paranoid it has to do knowing that $350 is bad number to PROPERLY paint to fenders on any car correctly.
So I guess with your 1200+ posts and still not a member round here all the rest of us must have overpaid about $18 correct?
This thread had NOTHING to do with paranoid it has to do knowing that $350 is bad number to PROPERLY paint to fenders on any car correctly.
So I guess with your 1200+ posts and still not a member round here all the rest of us must have overpaid about $18 correct?
09-20-2005, 06:40 PM
#18
"There is a reason poeple hate going to the auto repair shops. GUYS LIKE YOU! Instead of explaining what is involved and the cost you just UNETHICALLY overcharge them. It's called theft. If you guys would take the time to explain PROPERLY and not suggest uneccessary repairs or OVERCHARGE for the same service then you wouldn't be down at the top of the list of places people hate to go (right up there with the dentist)."
Actually if you had any clue you wouldn't trust any mechanic. But enough about that.
"This thread had NOTHING to do with paranoid it has to do knowing that $350 is bad number to PROPERLY paint to fenders on any car correctly."
Well apparently that's just not the case, is it?
Look at what they're doing, it's clear that they're going to do a nice job, and that in fact...the price is good.
"So I guess with your 1200+ posts and still not a member round here all the rest of us must have overpaid about $18 correct?"
So it would seem.
I'm definitely getting my money's worth here, are you? You're paying $18 a year for a custom signiture.
That's quite a deal.
Look, it's not my fault that to quote a guy with a mercedes $100 bucks for a basic plug only tuneup(just an example that i've experienced in the past) they lose their mind and run to someone that will charge them three times the price(or more) so they feel like they're getting 'quality work'.
It's not my fault that rich chicks want to pay $350 for a perm that is in effect exactly what you can get at any beauticians shop for $85-100 bucks.
It's not my fault that a rich chick isn't happy unless she's wearing $200 dollar jeans accesorized with a $600 dollar purse even though she could get the same crap for 1/10th the cost.
Rich people are just goofy about money, it's not my fault. My old man is very wealthy, he's the same way too.
Oh, and BTW, if you agree to pay(overpay) a certain price for a certain service then the merchant is not ripping you off- you're just an uneducated customer if you let yourself overpay through ignorance or arrogance.
You guys are the ones that force us to do it anyway. If our price is too low you won't give us business. We learned this first hand.
Sort of like never going with the lowest bidder...but someone middle of the road. Why bid low when no one is going to take you up on your offer?
It's cause and effect my friend. Paranoid rich owners are the cause, and high prices are the effect.
Actually if you had any clue you wouldn't trust any mechanic. But enough about that.
"This thread had NOTHING to do with paranoid it has to do knowing that $350 is bad number to PROPERLY paint to fenders on any car correctly."
Well apparently that's just not the case, is it?
Look at what they're doing, it's clear that they're going to do a nice job, and that in fact...the price is good.
"So I guess with your 1200+ posts and still not a member round here all the rest of us must have overpaid about $18 correct?"
So it would seem.
I'm definitely getting my money's worth here, are you? You're paying $18 a year for a custom signiture.
That's quite a deal.
Look, it's not my fault that to quote a guy with a mercedes $100 bucks for a basic plug only tuneup(just an example that i've experienced in the past) they lose their mind and run to someone that will charge them three times the price(or more) so they feel like they're getting 'quality work'.
It's not my fault that rich chicks want to pay $350 for a perm that is in effect exactly what you can get at any beauticians shop for $85-100 bucks.
It's not my fault that a rich chick isn't happy unless she's wearing $200 dollar jeans accesorized with a $600 dollar purse even though she could get the same crap for 1/10th the cost.
Rich people are just goofy about money, it's not my fault. My old man is very wealthy, he's the same way too.
Oh, and BTW, if you agree to pay(overpay) a certain price for a certain service then the merchant is not ripping you off- you're just an uneducated customer if you let yourself overpay through ignorance or arrogance.
You guys are the ones that force us to do it anyway. If our price is too low you won't give us business. We learned this first hand.
Sort of like never going with the lowest bidder...but someone middle of the road. Why bid low when no one is going to take you up on your offer?
It's cause and effect my friend. Paranoid rich owners are the cause, and high prices are the effect.
09-20-2005, 08:24 PM
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Nordschleife Master
Not going to argue with you. Moochers and Thiefs have an answer for EVERYTHING. Enjoy Rennlist and get the best benefit you can. This is a typical trend we see everywhere in society.....a small minority of members covers the cost for the majority. You do what feels right, but then again we already know what you will do. Enjoy. 
09-20-2005, 09:38 PM
#20
Why should i pay when it's not required?
Do you often pay for free items or services?
If rennlist really wanted us all to pay, they'd make it mandatory. Paying to 'support' the site is optional, and for your $18 dollars you get certain fringe benefits....benefits that i could care less about.
Of course the reason it's not mandatory is because half the board would just up and migrate to another board overnight(i know something about this seeing as how i run a site with close to 2000 registered members myself- a site which BTW, is free to all, like 99% of all message forums).
Further, whether i pay or not, is quite frankly, none of your business, and your opinion on the matter is simply none of my concern.
But back to topic: The reason some folks overpay for everything is because that's what it takes to make them feel 'exclusive'. You don't want the best deal, or you'd always pick the lowest bidder with a decent reputation. I bet not a one of you uses coupons at the store either(lol, neither do i). So, you over pay because you want to.
When you go to a 'specialist' shop and pay $175/hr labor you're not paying for better work, you're paying for the shop owners hobbies and your own 'piece of mind'.
The topic of this thead is a perfect illustration of exactly what i'm talking about. That shop is going to invest about 5 hours labor for the $350.00. That's a healthy but reasonably fair labor rate of $70 an hour, and what does the guy get accused of for his troubles? Being an Earl Schieb type hack.
And then you bitch when we inflate the prices to make our customer base 'happy'. Why would we ever offer you a fair deal when all you're going to do in return is accuse us of being hacks?
And then when a mechanic tells you the truth, you freak out and call him names. That's ok...we're used to that too.
Which is why we usually just tell you what you want to hear, because it's not as if even 1% of our customers would know the difference anyway, so we might as well just keep them 'happy'.
It would be great if a mechanic could offer what he felt was a fair price, and he could be honest with his customers, but it just doesn't work that way.(this is why it's better to deal with poor people. When you give them a good deal they're grateful, not suspicious. A lot of rich folks are simply high maintenance). People don't want the truth(if they did there would be no such thing as PC), and they don't want their rich friends to call them fools for taking their car to a 'hack' who only charged them $100 bucks to put six plugs in their 'exclusive' top end car.
Because we all know that installing plugs in a top end car requires a skill that only a shop charging an exorbinant hourly rate can provide....right?
BTW, i wouldn't shoot my mouth off too much about how 'some of us support everyone else'. With the tax dollars my family pays(myself included) we could probably support an entire 3d world city, lol.
Do you often pay for free items or services?
If rennlist really wanted us all to pay, they'd make it mandatory. Paying to 'support' the site is optional, and for your $18 dollars you get certain fringe benefits....benefits that i could care less about.
Of course the reason it's not mandatory is because half the board would just up and migrate to another board overnight(i know something about this seeing as how i run a site with close to 2000 registered members myself- a site which BTW, is free to all, like 99% of all message forums).
Further, whether i pay or not, is quite frankly, none of your business, and your opinion on the matter is simply none of my concern.
But back to topic: The reason some folks overpay for everything is because that's what it takes to make them feel 'exclusive'. You don't want the best deal, or you'd always pick the lowest bidder with a decent reputation. I bet not a one of you uses coupons at the store either(lol, neither do i). So, you over pay because you want to.
When you go to a 'specialist' shop and pay $175/hr labor you're not paying for better work, you're paying for the shop owners hobbies and your own 'piece of mind'.
The topic of this thead is a perfect illustration of exactly what i'm talking about. That shop is going to invest about 5 hours labor for the $350.00. That's a healthy but reasonably fair labor rate of $70 an hour, and what does the guy get accused of for his troubles? Being an Earl Schieb type hack.
And then you bitch when we inflate the prices to make our customer base 'happy'. Why would we ever offer you a fair deal when all you're going to do in return is accuse us of being hacks?
And then when a mechanic tells you the truth, you freak out and call him names. That's ok...we're used to that too.
Which is why we usually just tell you what you want to hear, because it's not as if even 1% of our customers would know the difference anyway, so we might as well just keep them 'happy'.
It would be great if a mechanic could offer what he felt was a fair price, and he could be honest with his customers, but it just doesn't work that way.(this is why it's better to deal with poor people. When you give them a good deal they're grateful, not suspicious. A lot of rich folks are simply high maintenance). People don't want the truth(if they did there would be no such thing as PC), and they don't want their rich friends to call them fools for taking their car to a 'hack' who only charged them $100 bucks to put six plugs in their 'exclusive' top end car.
Because we all know that installing plugs in a top end car requires a skill that only a shop charging an exorbinant hourly rate can provide....right?
BTW, i wouldn't shoot my mouth off too much about how 'some of us support everyone else'. With the tax dollars my family pays(myself included) we could probably support an entire 3d world city, lol.
09-21-2005, 01:38 PM
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CLARIFICATION HERE!
Maybe a bit of clarification on the $350 would help……
What the poster was stating is that his car is being painted (actual cost of the insurance quote not posted) so the $350.00 is what he’ll be paying for the additional fender work. It’s not far fetched considering that the paint is already purchase and that the body shop wouldn’t mind making a few more bucks when the cars already there…..
It’s like the case of those of you with timing belts, why wouldn’t you swap out your water pump when you’re already there for a few bucks more…..
Poster, please jump in and tell me if I’m wrong…..
Good Luck, hope everything works out just fine for you…..
-Eli
What the poster was stating is that his car is being painted (actual cost of the insurance quote not posted) so the $350.00 is what he’ll be paying for the additional fender work. It’s not far fetched considering that the paint is already purchase and that the body shop wouldn’t mind making a few more bucks when the cars already there…..
It’s like the case of those of you with timing belts, why wouldn’t you swap out your water pump when you’re already there for a few bucks more…..
Poster, please jump in and tell me if I’m wrong…..
Good Luck, hope everything works out just fine for you…..
-Eli
09-21-2005, 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by LVDell
There is a reason poeple hate going to the auto repair shops. GUYS LIKE YOU! Instead of explaining what is involved and the cost you just UNETHICALLY overcharge them. It's called theft. If you guys would take the time to explain PROPERLY and not suggest uneccessary repairs or OVERCHARGE for the same service then you wouldn't be down at the top of the list of places people hate to go (right up there with the dentist).
This thread had NOTHING to do with paranoid it has to do knowing that $350 is bad number to PROPERLY paint to fenders on any car correctly.
So I guess with your 1200+ posts and still not a member round here all the rest of us must have overpaid about $18 correct?
This thread had NOTHING to do with paranoid it has to do knowing that $350 is bad number to PROPERLY paint to fenders on any car correctly.
So I guess with your 1200+ posts and still not a member round here all the rest of us must have overpaid about $18 correct?
Just as a comparison: one fender for my wife's Volvo was $1075.00. That was to remove a small scrape and dent about the size of an orange and repaint the entire fender to match. Pefect results.
I asked last year for a quote to paint the front bumper on my Porsche to remove the rock chips (which I didn't do)...$800.00. This is the best shop in the Portland Metro area that specializes in Jags, BMW, P/Cars, Ferrari's and the like.
09-21-2005, 02:56 PM
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Yes, but I thought I mentioned that at least 2 times..
Originally Posted by Eli at Pelican
Maybe a bit of clarification on the $350 would help……
What the poster was stating is that his car is being painted (actual cost of the insurance quote not posted) so the $350.00 is what he’ll be paying for the additional fender work. It’s not far fetched considering that the paint is already purchase and that the body shop wouldn’t mind making a few more bucks when the cars already there…..
It’s like the case of those of you with timing belts, why wouldn’t you swap out your water pump when you’re already there for a few bucks more…..
Poster, please jump in and tell me if I’m wrong…..
Good Luck, hope everything works out just fine for you…..
-Eli
What the poster was stating is that his car is being painted (actual cost of the insurance quote not posted) so the $350.00 is what he’ll be paying for the additional fender work. It’s not far fetched considering that the paint is already purchase and that the body shop wouldn’t mind making a few more bucks when the cars already there…..
It’s like the case of those of you with timing belts, why wouldn’t you swap out your water pump when you’re already there for a few bucks more…..
Poster, please jump in and tell me if I’m wrong…..
Good Luck, hope everything works out just fine for you…..
-Eli
09-21-2005, 03:11 PM
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DC,
Let me/us know how it goes.. I need to have my rear painted (minor scratch). Tysons collision quoted $1100. They said they would have to remove the entire bumper. Sand and re-spray the entire bumper. If your shop does good work, I would like to take my car in and have the bumper touched up.
Let me/us know how it goes.. I need to have my rear painted (minor scratch). Tysons collision quoted $1100. They said they would have to remove the entire bumper. Sand and re-spray the entire bumper. If your shop does good work, I would like to take my car in and have the bumper touched up.
09-21-2005, 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by washington dc porsche
Yes, but I thought I mentioned that at least 2 times..
Then again it could be nothing at all....
-Eli
09-21-2005, 04:08 PM
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Exactly, it could also be the captivating title of the post that lingers in the reader's mind. 
I was just trying to get folks attention, sorta like how Fox Networks do..
I was just trying to get folks attention, sorta like how Fox Networks do..
Originally Posted by Eli at Pelican
Yes, I know but sometimes it's not what you say it's how you say it....
Then again it could be nothing at all....
-Eli
Then again it could be nothing at all....
-Eli
09-21-2005, 07:50 PM
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If you have it done at least ithe fenders would match the hood! I'm not so sure because you pay allot of money the the job would be better, I spent upwards of $2,000 just to do a fender on my BMW through a a shop that just does high end auto's and it turned out like crap. I think if you see there work and don't take the car off there lot if you're not satisfied. Why not.
09-23-2005, 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by washington dc porsche
It's done and over she's home.. It looks great.
-Gary
P.S. Can you post some pics?
09-23-2005, 11:57 PM
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First Choice Body Shop in Arlington, I was going to go to Collsion works across from Potomac Yards but I saw no Porsches there (all BMW's). First Choice is full of 996's and was recommended by the dealership nearby.
It's been kind of grey out today, I'm going to wash her up tomorrow morning to take some pics.
It's been kind of grey out today, I'm going to wash her up tomorrow morning to take some pics.
Originally Posted by programmatore
Hey man. I'm glad it worked out and that you're happy with the results. If you don't mind, which body shop did you use? I'm always in the lookout for good shops in the area. I've used Wagon Works Collision in Alexandria and Tysons Auto Body (HBL's shop) when I installed various aerokit pieces and both were very good but a bit pricey.
-Gary
P.S. Can you post some pics?
-Gary
P.S. Can you post some pics?