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Old 08-29-2005 | 11:45 AM
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My younger and obviously less intelligent brother got put in jail Sat.night for racing on the freeway. He is 35. He told me that he had beaten the guy twice already and won the third race and then got the blue light special. I am wondering what the options are as far as his legal recourse. He lives in Dallas , Texas. Rednecks shouldn't have S4's. He made mention that the officer didn't read him his rights. The officer remarked that he had it all on tape if his lawyer wanted it for his defense; I think he has the race on tape , I don't know about the arrest. Any help, advice or experiences would help me help the idiot. He still won't tell me his boyfriends name. No alcohol involved.

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Old 08-29-2005 | 01:29 PM
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Budy of mine in DC had the same thing happen so I can't speak to TX law but he was caught doing about 135 and was supposed to go straight to jail but the cop and him ended up talking about the car and chatting, etc. Long story short when he got to his court date he was supposed to be in the slam for a minimum of 2 months (there was a formula for miles over + days in jail) but after several thousand in legal fees he got it negotiated down to 4 days in jail and 1 yr suspended DL (only allowed to drive to/from work). What speed was he going? And the most important question....alcohol?
Old 08-29-2005 | 01:45 PM
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No alcohol involved. I don't know what speed they were going. I guess it was fast enough though. Hopefully someone will chime in with a similar experience. I guess the thousand in legal fees was well worth the $$. I told him to sell the car and get an old Rabbit diesel as he is obviously not equipped to handle an S4. How come I get an error on page when I use spell ck.?
Old 08-29-2005 | 01:49 PM
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If his defense gets that tape post the race here so we can critique his lines

In all seriousness though, it's going to take some serious cash and a switch to that Rabbit diesel to really understand and appreciate what he did wrong. That's why I love DE's. I get all my speed out there and never get baited on the city roads.

Keep us posted, I would be interested tohear how this all comes to finality.
Old 08-29-2005 | 01:53 PM
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"If his defense gets that tape post the race here so we can critique his lines."


This goes without saying. Probably early apexes and too much trail braking. hahaha. I'm kinda curious to the outcome myself, what a wingnut.
Old 08-29-2005 | 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by StanSoph
He told me that he had beaten the guy twice already and won the third race and then got the blue light special. I am wondering what the options are as far as his legal recourse.

He could always do the honorable thing and just plead guilty, which he is, in spades.
Old 08-29-2005 | 02:12 PM
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Hey, not all of us living in Texas are rednecks. . . ok, most but not all.

Outcome comes down to his priors (and of course $$$). An aggressive lawyer will get this dismissed without any loss of license (even with the video). Even a bad lawyer will get him probation (no jail, of course) w/loss of DL (restricted DL can be ordered).

I had a client that took police on a chase for 3 towns. Case was dismissed w/60hrs volunteer work and defensive driving class. Of course, he was slow in getting his record expunged before the 2nd charge. That one was a little harder to get dismissed but when we did I beat some sense into him and he finally got the expungement.

Tell your brother to talk to several lawyers before choosing one.
Old 08-29-2005 | 02:22 PM
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Hey, not all of us living in Texas are rednecks. . . ok, most but not all.

Outcome comes down to his priors (and of course $$$). An aggressive lawyer will get this dismissed without any loss of license (even with the video). Even a bad lawyer will get him probation (no jail, of course) w/loss of DL (restricted DL can be ordered).

I had a client that took police on a chase for 3 towns. Case was dismissed w/60hrs volunteer work and defensive driving class. Of course, he was slow in getting his record expunged before the 2nd charge. That one was a little harder to get dismissed but when we did I beat some sense into him and he finally got the expungement.

Tell your brother to talk to several lawyers before choosing one.
Hailing from the Lonestar state myself is a badge of honor I wear, redneck or not. I will inform him of the info. OT: I had a girl tell me that my neck was really red and sunburned. I replied with " that's not sunburn; I's from Texas, that's breedin' " She laughed and we are now married. No, she is NOT my sister.
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[QUOTE=StanSoph] He made mention that the officer didn't read him his rights. The officer remarked that he had it all on tape if his lawyer wanted it for his defense; I think he has the race on tape , I don't know about the arrest. QUOTE]


Very generally, "rights" are required to be read before a "custodial interrogation" by a peace officer. A "custodial interrogation" seeks to elicit evidence of the crime from the suspect. Merely asking biographical information necessary for administrative or booking matters is not considered within this purview.

If the cop has a tape of the race(s) he probably has all the evidence he needs to support the charge(s) and absent the "custodial interrogation" scenario or a specific statute or arresting agency policy mandating such, there is no requirement for rights to be read.
Old 08-29-2005 | 02:41 PM
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He made mention that the officer didn't read him his rights. The officer remarked that he had it all on tape if his lawyer wanted it for his defense; I think he has the race on tape , I don't know about the arrest. QUOTE]


Very generally, "rights" are required to be read before a "custodial interrogation" by a peace officer. A "custodial interrogation" seeks to elicit evidence of the crime from the suspect. Merely asking biographical information necessary for administrative or booking matters is not considered within this purview.

If the cop has a tape of the race(s) he probably has all the evidence he needs to support the charge(s) and absent the "custodial interrogation" scenario or a specific statute or arresting agency policy mandating such, there is no requirement for rights to be read.
Very helpful info. I guess all my legal training from watching COPS is not all its cracked up to be.
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He should take his lumps and maybe he will learn a lesson and maybe not kill himself next time or even much worse someone else. Never understand these threads where people try to get out of something stupid like this and others jump on the bandwagon like its a game, even lawyers who would be just as happy suing your brother after he killed someone else. I believe here in Florida now they keep your car. Keep him away from our state. We have more then our share of these type of drivers down here. He should get what he deserves. At 35 he should already know better. No second chance to harm others.

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Old 08-29-2005 | 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by jimq
He should take his lumps and maybe he will learn a lesson and maybe not kill himself next time or even much worse someone else. Never understand these threads where people try to get out of something stupid like this and others jump on the bandwagon like its a game, even lawyers who would be just as happy suing your brother after he killed someone else. I believe here in Florida now they keep your car. Keep him away from our state. We have more then our share of these type of drivers down here. He should get what he deserves. At 35 he should already know better. No second chance to harm others.

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I understand your side. At 35 he should know right from wrong.
Old 08-29-2005 | 03:18 PM
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I got a speeding ticket (88 in a 75) 4 miles east of Van Horn TX about a month ago. I was subsequently informed that my entire roadside discussion with the officer was video taped. I plan to contest the citation using that tape.
Old 08-29-2005 | 03:45 PM
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I was given the blue lights special doing well over 125mph in fairfax, VA in my 964 w/ slicks(in my younger....um..dumber days). The officer wasn't even upset since he was all into the 911 when he pulled me over, though he did give me a hefty ticket that night. The young prosecutor at the day of the court date saw the report(young kid in a red 911....hmmmm) and was going to put me away for a while but lucky me I had a good lawyer who was also a P-car nut that knew that prosecutor and negotiated my freedom. After the fees and fines, I did one night in jail for that stupid/dumb mistake. A mistake that took a few grand out of my pockets for my hard head to learn.

Your brothers best bet is to get a good lawyer that is familiar with such cases. Make sure that the lawyer is well connected in the court system. GLuck.
Old 08-29-2005 | 04:18 PM
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As the saying goes "ya do the crime, ya do the time". With a good lawyer though he can get it reduced to a 'slap on the wrist' most likely. So he's 35 and still street racing? I'm only 33 and grew out of that years ago. Oh well, if he spends some time in jail maybe some resident of the facility will take him under his wing and show him the ropes. That right there would scare me out of ever street racing again! Just remind him not to drop the soap. *grin*

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