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Old Sep 28, 2022 | 12:28 PM
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Here's interesting view - this is taken from below and bank 1. Here we can see the virgin part of the cylinder and then the wear part. I wonder what is that narrow section in the middle.

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Old Sep 28, 2022 | 12:33 PM
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Here's interesting view - this is taken from below and bank 1. Here we can see the virgin part of the cylinder and then the wear part. I wonder what is that narrow section in the middle.

etching of the surface for the rings to ride in? The bore surface is a matrix of aluminum with particles of harder material, the aluminum is probably etched away to allow the hard surface to interface with the rings, near the bottom of the bore there is no ring touching so no need to etch
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Old Sep 28, 2022 | 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by RngTrtl
This has been a thing for quite some time.
Lots of engines have liners from the factory, no reason porsche couldn't do the same thing and not make their block disposable
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Old Sep 28, 2022 | 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris(MA)
Lots of engines have liners from the factory, no reason porsche couldn't do the same thing and not make their block disposable
Agreed, but the cost doesnt justify it to the bean counters at Porsche. For them 100k miles is plenty.
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Old Sep 28, 2022 | 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by P9C
Here's interesting view - this is taken from below and bank 1. Here we can see the virgin part of the cylinder and then the wear part. I wonder what is that narrow section in the middle.

The "top" part (in your picture) is the section that rings have never touched.
The large polished section is where all three rings have touched.
I can see two distinct sections in the small intermediate area. One (the smaller) has had only the oil control ring sliding over it. The other (larger) has had #2 compression and the oil control rings sliding over it. I bet at the top there's a similar kind of pattern.
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Old Sep 29, 2022 | 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Emefef
I couldn't even get Canada Post to accept my sample for mailing to Blackstone...the same location that shipped my last sample.
That’s because they don’t understand “Transportation of Dangerous Goods” (TDG). Tell them it is a sample...don’t even mention “ of what”. Volume is so small it is exempt from TDG anyway, but easier to not even get into that conversation.

You are right, I don’t know how you could send used oil in bulk, other than via courier and it would likely cost more than the oil itself.
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Old Sep 29, 2022 | 10:11 AM
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Stupid question but would the engine additive RESTORE help with this issue? It claims to fill in the scratches and pits in the motor as long as you do it each time you change the oil.
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Old Sep 29, 2022 | 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by PorscheC2S
Stupid question but would the engine additive RESTORE help with this issue? It claims to fill in the scratches and pits in the motor as long as you do it each time you change the oil.
You're right, that's a stupid question.
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Originally Posted by b3freak
You're right, that's a stupid question.

Thanks ********!
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Originally Posted by PorscheC2S
Thanks ********!
Happy to help a moron avoid self-inflicted ignorance anytime.
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Originally Posted by b3freak
Happy to help a moron avoid self-inflicted ignorance anytime.

Takes one to know one! :P)
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Originally Posted by PorscheC2S
Takes one to know one! :P)
Dude, you don't know me from Adam's house cat. You made this RESTORE bed, now sleep in it.
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Well that was unnecessary, stupid question or not. Answer it or stfu. PorscheC2S - I would steer clear of any products like that, at least on these engines. Because it's in oil it has a high probability of going and sticking to places that you don't want it to and creating more issues in the end. You're better off using an oil with high detergent package and changing it more often, like every 3k miles max.
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Originally Posted by plpete84
Well that was unnecessary, stupid question or not. Answer it or stfu.

It's common sense, Pete... but hey, there's enough room on this ball for all three of us. Jump on!
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Originally Posted by plpete84
Because it's in oil it has a high probability of going and sticking to places that you don't want it to and creating more issues in the end. You're better off using an oil with high detergent package and changing it more often, like every 3k miles max.
No. Wrong. You're thinking about "Stop Leak". Steve is talking about RESTORE. It doesn't work. That's why. It's been discussed to death for years.

If you're suffering mechanical trama like advanced cylinder bore scoring, then the only cure for the problem is by rebuilding the engine with new sleeves. There is no easy fix or magic cure in the bottle. And, a "high detergent" oil will not do anything to help with this problem. If anything, an oil with high concentrations of ZDDP will help mitigate the problem, but it won't stop it all together. Nothing in the store will eliminate it once it starts.
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