cds72911

Good luck with your Tesla. Time to shift the discussion to a Tesla forum.

RSflared72e

I like the way you put that. This is how I have always seen it.

With my 996 having been long ago manufactured, the main impact it now has on the planet is the minimal pollution it generates with its 2000-era emissions tech. It seems logical that perhaps the most environmentally-friendly thing we could all do is hold onto and highly maintain our cars for a long time, rather than supporting the repeated manufacture of new ones of whatever type.

Overall, I don't see EV ownership being as much of an environmental benefit as it's claimed to be, UNLESS we were at a point where all electricity that fed them came from safe, non-polluting sources. The main benefit for now is probably lower personal maintenance costs, while under warranty, at least.

pdxmotorhead

The Carbon footprint of an EV when you factor in the manufacturing carbon foot print makes a HUMMV look downright eco friendly...

I drive one becuse its less than a buck a day to charge it.

5CHN3LL

It's all easily quantifiable, and there's nothing provocative about it. The amount of energy it takes to create a new vehicle out of raw materials vs. continuing to use an existing vehicle is staggering.

AnthonyGS

You’d think that but UPS has got nothing on chinese strip mining for REMs when it comes to carbon footprints.

The entire green movement is an American tragedy when you consider how the two most populated countries on Earth don’t give a rip about burning all the carbon they can get to grow their economies. Going green is about feeling good. In the big scheme of things it makes zero difference.

AnthonyGS

Here is a pretty good idea of what it takes to get the REMs so Tesla and Prius drivers can save the planet....

https://edgy.app/china-rare-earth-minerals

I’m sure that’s way more green than rebuilding M96 engines.

5CHN3LL

Tunnels full of people each driving 5,000 pounds of aluminum, batteries, and electronics is not the way to save the planet. It is, however, a great way to help enrich a certain friendly neighborhood billionaire so he can keep making sweet, sweet rockets.

5CHN3LL

It's not that hard. I think this is a MUCH more likely scenario over the next 10-20 years, especially in states like California where our pinko legislators want to ban anything that emits carbon.

EV conversions have been going on for a really long time, and shops like EVWest are making it possible for DIYers to put together electric vehicles that were unimaginable a decade ago.

TechSavvySam

Since the whole premise of this thread is off-topic for the forum, I'll share my off-topic thoughts.

To rain a bit on the globalists agenda here, there is not actual proof that man-made global warming is real or that even if it was it is hurting the Earth OR that human carbon output is causing it.

It's about controlling us and putting us into white collar urban "slave camp" high rises and causing us to fight amongst ourselves until we all kill each other from being annoyed because we live in such close proximity.

Ask yourself:

• What is UN Agenda 21
• What is UN Agenda 2030
• Why do elites generate tons of carbon flying private jets and helicopters to talk about the evils of human carbon production
• Isn't it odd that most EU "country" leaders have no children?
• What are the Georgia Guidestones?

And if you read all of this and think, "that guy is a crazy nut job conspiracy theorist", then fine, go ahead and buy your Tesla, but don't come crying to me when you say the wrong thing on Facebook and your social credit score drops below X and they disable your Tesla from accepting a charge. Also remember that, although he is "a bit" melodramatic, A.J. was right about gay frogs and the world being run by satanic pedos.

Here's a simple explanation of it what this "green" religion is all about:


In case there are any full-blown leftists here, who I find have a complete inability to grasp nuance, NO, I don't hate the earth--as a matter of fact my recycle bin has more in it each week than my trash, even though I suspect it all ends up in the same place and I take my used engine (and cooking) oil to a proper recycling facility. However, I do turn every light on in my house on "Earth Day".

911Syncro

Ok, so this implies there are potentially 2 sources of climate change: 1. man-made changes, and 2. natural changes.

I guess people are different when evaluating what constitutes "actual proof". For me with one opinion, I don't care at all if the changes are man-made or not because it doesn't matter one bit when considering the impact of climate change. If we consider only man-made changes, does that mean we just accept the negative impacts of natural climate change and do nothing? Is climate change is good and acceptable because it is not man-made? What should we tell the people who loose their homes due to sea-level rise: it's natural, so you are on your own? Once again the entire discourse is confused by those who want to find someone to blame rather than solving the problem.

cds72911

Please oh great gods of Porschedom, let this thread die. There are Tesla forums for this kind of chit chat.

Mike Murphy

Guys, sorry to bring up an old thread, but I just have to make sense of some of the comments made on this thread. Some are factual or subjectively questionable. For example:

1.) Cost. The Model 3 is actually gone down, and it's really not that much more in the grand scheme of things.Compared to my 996, which has cost me $5k/yr just in maintenance/repairs, the model 3 isn't really much more expensive over a longer term, especially if you include fuel costs.
2.) Performance isn't just great from 0-60, it's also great on the track (see Randy Pobst Youtube and Doug Demuro). The 3 toasts some very fast, newer cars on the track.
3.) No fun to drive? The steering is supposedly just as good as a BMW M3. Of course, the sound is gone, and yeah, the flat-6 with a Fister/Gundo mod is GLORIOUS, no doubt about it. Maybe the 996 is 5X more fun to drive, but that's because the 996 is WAY at the top of driving pleasure list. I'd bet the Model 3 is one of the most fun cars to drive at anything above 5/10ths.
4.) Build quality issues. The Porsche has Tesla covered for sure, but then the pesky M96 engine could rear its ugly head. So see item #1 again LOL
5.) Tesla and EVs suck the life out of 'real' car people, and we might as well give up life if we have to trade in our 996 for a Model 3, let along, get off this forum. This one I'm not so sure about. I'd have to drive one, and on the track, too. Look at the faces of the people driving a performance model 3, on the track, or even on the street.

Anestheticg

I’m getting a Tesla wall charger installed in the next couple weeks and plan to pick up a used model S P90D. Model 3 performance would be my other choice but I would rather buy a used car that sold for 120k and suffered a bulk of its depreciation compared to a new model 3. My 2000 996 will stay in my garage for occasional track days and weekend fun. The p90d has supercar performance 0-60 and it’s ok it’s silent. Ill just enjoy my 996 sound that much more when I drive it.