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Old 07-11-2019, 07:54 PM
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For the record, I've finished the conversion to the new brake booster, pushrod, and firewall seal parts that allows fitting the GT3 master cylinder to the early 996 and Boxsters and have created a new thread on it here: https://rennlist.com/forums/996-foru...l#post15967467
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Originally Posted by Dharn55
AutohausAZ AZ has these master cylinders on sale for 183.47, normally $191, good deal!
Just found a TRW 99735591030 on line AutoDoc for $95 in Italy... 106 euro with shipping. This should go well with the GT3 front and rear brakes calipers with 350mm discs all around I'm getting later in the month.

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Due to the fact that I have a C4 it looks like I will have to install a rear brake proportional valve to keep the PCM working. Has anyone recently done this mod on a C4?
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Originally Posted by thurstonpowers3


So here is my issue so far:

2002 C2 with PSM. 997 GT3 MC, High temp fluid bleed multiple times through whole system. One week into driving the car the PSM/ABS failure lights came on driving down the highway around 60MPH. Turned the car off and back on with no faults returning. Bleed the system again and put 1500 miles on the car with no issue. At the track yesterday and the car has performed flawless for 6 sessions ( 3 for my wife and I each). 4th session comes up for me and the ABS/PSM failure light comes on again down the back straight into turn 4 causing the right front tire to lock up. Does anyone know why the issue would be this intermittent? I am finding others are having the 4460 fault appear immediately or everytime the car exceeds 30MPH but this is not my experience. I just ordered the Jegs proportioning valve and will install that.

246GTSA, Which brake lines did you use to install that proportioning valve as the link shows OP made his own but it appears you used factory lines.
I just did this upgrade without seeing a thread about issues. I have a 2004 C2 with PSM (Which I keep off with the button). Mine is a dedicated track car. I flushed the fluid 2 times before going to the track this weekend after installing 997 GT3 Master Cylinder. First 2 sessions there was no issue. 3rd session on the outlap the PSM and ABS lights came on and pedal got real hard. Was applying brake with medium to high pressure at the end of straight and front wheels completely lock up destroying my tires. Did you do this jegs proportioning valve? Did it fix the issue on the track?
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Originally Posted by JSETarga
I just did this upgrade without seeing a thread about issues. I have a 2004 C2 with PSM (Which I keep off with the button). Mine is a dedicated track car. I flushed the fluid 2 times before going to the track this weekend after installing 997 GT3 Master Cylinder. First 2 sessions there was no issue. 3rd session on the outlap the PSM and ABS lights came on and pedal got real hard. Was applying brake with medium to high pressure at the end of straight and front wheels completely lock up destroying my tires. Did you do this jegs proportioning valve? Did it fix the issue on the track?
i had a similar issue but not until my third track day last year. The system checks the pressure at about 30mph and if it fails then the abs is disabled.




I put this in after and never had to adjust it. Stays in the full open position.

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Originally Posted by hbdunn
i had a similar issue but not until my third track day last year. The system checks the pressure at about 30mph and if it fails then the abs is disabled.




I put this in after and never had to adjust it. Stays in the full open position.
Which brand/model is that one?
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U should pull the psm plug for the track and fully disable it. The abs will still work but the psm wont be interfearing and our cars dont really need it in the track.
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Originally Posted by De Jeeper
U should pull the psm plug for the track and fully disable it. The abs will still work but the psm wont be interfearing and our cars dont really need it in the track.
The only time I ever feel anything with it switched off on dash, is if I trail brake a little too long to its liking. Although, I would be all for it being completely removed from car. Which plug do I pull off? Will I have constant message about it on dash?
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Originally Posted by JSETarga
Which brand/model is that one?
I believe it was the wildwood from summit racing.
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The psm still interferes even with it switched off. Yes u will have a light. Ill see if zbomb can comment as he did it with his track car.
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Originally Posted by JSETarga
The only time I ever feel anything with it switched off on dash, is if I trail brake a little too long to its liking. Although, I would be all for it being completely removed from car. Which plug do I pull off? Will I have constant message about it on dash?
It’s the plug on PSM pump.
The secondary circuit from the MC goes to it.

also that’s the line where the valve goes.

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Thanks all!
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just for the record if you don't have PSM you won't need the adapters and you won't have any of these other issues correct?
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All i know is on my car with no psm i used the factory 2000 c2 line from the mc to the abs block with no adaptor. I know Zbomb is doing this on his car with psm. It will remove the residual valve but he has the psm unpluged. I would assume the psm fault light would permanately be on, but im sure z will just disco the dash light.


I do not know how else this will effect a street driven car.
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Originally Posted by JSETarga
I just did this upgrade without seeing a thread about issues. I have a 2004 C2 with PSM (Which I keep off with the button). Mine is a dedicated track car. I flushed the fluid 2 times before going to the track this weekend after installing 997 GT3 Master Cylinder. First 2 sessions there was no issue. 3rd session on the outlap the PSM and ABS lights came on and pedal got real hard. Was applying brake with medium to high pressure at the end of straight and front wheels completely lock up destroying my tires. Did you do this jegs proportioning valve? Did it fix the issue on the track?
That sounds an awful lot like you encountered ICE mode, that's an ABS issue, not a PSM one.

Originally Posted by De Jeeper
U should pull the psm plug for the track and fully disable it. The abs will still work but the psm wont be interfearing and our cars dont really need it in the track.
Yes, the PSM for me was slowing me down and wearing the rear brakes for no good reason.

Originally Posted by JSETarga
The only time I ever feel anything with it switched off on dash, is if I trail brake a little too long to its liking. Although, I would be all for it being completely removed from car. Which plug do I pull off? Will I have constant message about it on dash?
As was said, you just have to pull the plug at the pump, I have posted pictures a couple times before. You can pull this plug and NOT get an ABS light, which is the one you should care about.

Originally Posted by De Jeeper
The psm still interferes even with it switched off. Yes u will have a light. Ill see if zbomb can comment as he did it with his track car.
Can confirm, with the PSM switched off it does still interfere, although with less aggression. If you look at some of my videos where you see brake activation while at WOT, that is the PSM intervention and the only way to disable it was to electrically disable the pump.


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