Do you track your 993 AWD turbo? Does it make good track car?
11-10-2015, 12:18 PM
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A number of people have done the conversion. I think the consensus would be to get the turbo. Better brakes, ?trans, different p&c/heads, etc and in the eyes of others a turbocharged C2S would be considered quite heavily modified vs deleting stuff on a turbo. Besides currently a C2S or C4S (would have turbo brakes) are pricey and probably good to preserve in general.
11-10-2015, 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Basal Skull
Besides currently a C2S or C4S (would have turbo brakes) are pricey and probably good to preserve in general.
11-19-2015, 02:02 PM
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I am thinking of selling a 96tt that has been modded for the track, 75k miles, Never wrecked (good Carfax), It is tagged & driven on street, 2wd, Suspension, Exhaust, No a/c, Lightened up Interior, Etc, Trying to figure out asking Price.
Car is in Great Cond.
Will post on Pelican when I decide.
Car is in Great Cond.
Will post on Pelican when I decide.
11-20-2015, 04:45 AM
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I tracked my 993 turbo every year I owned it except this last year. This year I used is as a DD for a change. It´s just a car at the end of the day.
People takes far more exclusive cars on track than a 993 turbo. Whats the point of owning one if you can´t use it? On the street you can never fully expire the performance of a 993 turbo without putting yourself and others in danger.
With that said. The 993 turbo is a compromise on track. Not a bad one, considering what a great road car it is. For your information I consider a GT3 a compromise as well on track even if its a far better drive with is high revving NA engine. It´s to heavy at the end of the day. A wannabe track car unmodified.
People takes far more exclusive cars on track than a 993 turbo. Whats the point of owning one if you can´t use it? On the street you can never fully expire the performance of a 993 turbo without putting yourself and others in danger.
With that said. The 993 turbo is a compromise on track. Not a bad one, considering what a great road car it is. For your information I consider a GT3 a compromise as well on track even if its a far better drive with is high revving NA engine. It´s to heavy at the end of the day. A wannabe track car unmodified.
11-20-2015, 04:49 PM
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I have been doing some track days, with a BMW E36, and although I have seen much more expensive cars on track, I have not seen that many cars that are more exclusive than the 993 turbo. Have not seen one 993 turbo on track for the last 3 years on Zandvoort, Assen, Zolder or Spa Francorchamps. Did see however a lot of Cayman GT4s, 991 GT3, GT3 Cup and 991 GT3 RSs. Also encountered one veyron. The fact that that owner took his car to the track doesn't make it a good track car. ;-)
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12-18-2015, 03:59 AM
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Was originally going to track my 993tt when I bot it Feb 2010, but when springtime arrived, I decided it was too much of a collectible classic. Instead, bot a fully track prepped 6 GT-3 to spare the turbo which was a great decision. Recently posted my 993 turbo for sale here and PCA site, and bot a 996tt- tons of car for 1/4 the cost. It and GT-3 have the bulletproof Mezger engine and are likely the next undervalued classics- IMHO...
12-23-2015, 10:19 AM
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Pick you poison
There will always be an arms race, every year a new toy from Stuttgart will out perform (net net) what came before. So if winning the HPDE (fastest) run group is your idea of fun, then go modern.
If driver engagement and testing your metal and not the Zuffenhausen nannies, then a 993 TT (last of the air cooled) or an RS Tribute may tick those boxes just fine. But you will not win the HPDE run group in it at most HPDE events. But you will get a lot of appreciation from other drivers seeing a 993 on track.
You can have a lot of fun running among the 911s, 944s, 964s, na996s, na997s, Boxsters, Caymans, SPBs, and a lot of BMWs, Miatas, and Mustangs. Not so much with the '6, '7, & '1s TTs / track prep'd, Corvettes, GT-Rs or newer M BMWs.
12-23-2015, 12:45 PM
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^^^ This ^^^
There will always be an arms race, every year a new toy from Stuttgart will out perform (net net) what came before. So if winning the HPDE (fastest) run group is your idea of fun, then go modern.
If driver engagement and testing your metal and not the Zuffenhausen nannies, then a 993 TT (last of the air cooled) or an RS Tribute may tick those boxes just fine. But you will not win the HPDE run group in it at most HPDE events. But you will get a lot of appreciation from other drivers seeing a 993 on track.
You can have a lot of fun running among the 911s, 944s, 964s, na996s, na997s, Boxsters, Caymans, SPBs, and a lot of BMWs, Miatas, and Mustangs. Not so much with the '6, '7, & '1s TTs / track prep'd, Corvettes, GT-Rs or newer M BMWs.
There will always be an arms race, every year a new toy from Stuttgart will out perform (net net) what came before. So if winning the HPDE (fastest) run group is your idea of fun, then go modern.
If driver engagement and testing your metal and not the Zuffenhausen nannies, then a 993 TT (last of the air cooled) or an RS Tribute may tick those boxes just fine. But you will not win the HPDE run group in it at most HPDE events. But you will get a lot of appreciation from other drivers seeing a 993 on track.
You can have a lot of fun running among the 911s, 944s, 964s, na996s, na997s, Boxsters, Caymans, SPBs, and a lot of BMWs, Miatas, and Mustangs. Not so much with the '6, '7, & '1s TTs / track prep'd, Corvettes, GT-Rs or newer M BMWs.
12-23-2015, 12:57 PM
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Honestly, get an M3. E9x M3s are getting down into the low 20s for track car suitable donors, have 400hp, and you can relatively easily walk away from that AND find another one. And I bet it'll be faster on track than a 993TT. Or get an E46 M3 for $10k. Or build a SpecE46.
Spending $100k +/- on what is essentially a vintage track car is nuts. One of the key elements of a good track car is disposability. Even if the cost doesn't matter, the difficulty of finding a replacement does.
Spending $100k +/- on what is essentially a vintage track car is nuts. One of the key elements of a good track car is disposability. Even if the cost doesn't matter, the difficulty of finding a replacement does.
12-25-2015, 06:00 PM
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The vast majority of folks disagree but as a now-greybeard veteran of the the tracked-streetcar->prepped track car-> logbook racecar/trackcar -> PCA/SCCA racecar continuum, I've come to believe that the logical conclusion to the question is to suck it up and buy a cup car. ultimately the cheapest way to reliability, progress benchmarks, resale value, performance. 996 cup cars are the screaming track car value of all time.
The tt is a good car to drive to the track, however.
The tt is a good car to drive to the track, however.
12-26-2015, 07:38 AM
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The vast majority of folks disagree but as a now-greybeard veteran of the the tracked-streetcar->prepped track car-> logbook racecar/trackcar -> PCA/SCCA racecar continuum, I've come to believe that the logical conclusion to the question is to suck it up and buy a cup car. ultimately the cheapest way to reliability, progress benchmarks, resale value, performance. 996 cup cars are the screaming track car value of all time.
The tt is a good car to drive to the track, however.
The tt is a good car to drive to the track, however.
A street / prepped car is definitly cheaper to run (unless the mods bug has bitten you) but performance/progress/benchmark are out of the window.
To all those who want/could but hesitate to buy a CUP, go ahead and do it, at least for a few years. It's Another World.
12-26-2015, 07:55 AM
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or in your case drive slower. I suspect your car is a bit faster than mine !Last edited by Vince964T; 12-26-2015 at 05:31 PM.