"blip" the throttle while part of your right foot still on the brake?
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Kim,
RE: FF's comment, you beat me to it
Matt,
Both the brake and the gas pedals can be raised/lowered a bit, relative to one another, to achieve the right balance for "heel/toe."
It's easy: remove the mat and underneath the wooden plank, you can access the turnbuckle screw & locknut for the gas and (similar, if I remember right) for the brake. You'll have to 'trial and error' relative heights and feel on the road to get it just right. And, of course, you'd want to test in a safe, remote area if you're trying to simulate track-level braking pressure/appropriate brake pedal height. One last thing, remember that you must adjust the brakelight switch EACH time you adjust the brake pedal height or your brake lights may get stuck "on" or may fail to actuate. Sorry for the longwindedness. Enjoy...I did!![Smilie](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
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Question... I wasn't aware the pedals were adjustable. Which pedal(s) and how difficult?
Both the brake and the gas pedals can be raised/lowered a bit, relative to one another, to achieve the right balance for "heel/toe."
It's easy: remove the mat and underneath the wooden plank, you can access the turnbuckle screw & locknut for the gas and (similar, if I remember right) for the brake. You'll have to 'trial and error' relative heights and feel on the road to get it just right. And, of course, you'd want to test in a safe, remote area if you're trying to simulate track-level braking pressure/appropriate brake pedal height. One last thing, remember that you must adjust the brakelight switch EACH time you adjust the brake pedal height or your brake lights may get stuck "on" or may fail to actuate. Sorry for the longwindedness. Enjoy...I did!
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well, guess it's my turn to chime in..
I have to agree with Nick Amos...
When I first got my 993 a big whole two days ago!!! The first thing I noticed was how difficult it was to heel toe downshift.
So today I ordered a set of sparco pedals. Now sparco's don't solve the problem exactly. But, when I install them I will probably put an extra throttle pedal behind the sparco to make the gas pedal higher..
But tonight I actually noticed something that is making me think otherwise.
I was driving late and the roads were open and I decided to put my foot to the floor a bit
As soon as I had the car up to enough speed and a turn that neccessitated a heel toe downshift, I quickly realized that a Heel Toe downshift was easy with OEM pedals and no adjustment.
Like Nick said.. You have to be carrying some speed and you need to apply good pressure..(this happens a ton more at the track then on the street!!)
but a proper heel toe can be very easy with this car. If your going 30mph and downshifting into 1st, the pedal pressure required for a heel toe would bring you to a stop.. Buy at 70 to 30, it really is like butter (stock.)
--to answers Finn question.. Yes I always heel toe when on the track. On the street I only heel toe when I am getting on the car and it is practical. (traffic is not practical...)
And a big HUGE blip is a beautiful thing...
make that engine roar....
As far as dump shifting (skipping gears..) It's fine to do as long as your blip is strong enough the size of your dump..
just my opinion...
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I have to agree with Nick Amos...
When I first got my 993 a big whole two days ago!!! The first thing I noticed was how difficult it was to heel toe downshift.
So today I ordered a set of sparco pedals. Now sparco's don't solve the problem exactly. But, when I install them I will probably put an extra throttle pedal behind the sparco to make the gas pedal higher..
But tonight I actually noticed something that is making me think otherwise.
I was driving late and the roads were open and I decided to put my foot to the floor a bit
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Like Nick said.. You have to be carrying some speed and you need to apply good pressure..(this happens a ton more at the track then on the street!!)
but a proper heel toe can be very easy with this car. If your going 30mph and downshifting into 1st, the pedal pressure required for a heel toe would bring you to a stop.. Buy at 70 to 30, it really is like butter (stock.)
--to answers Finn question.. Yes I always heel toe when on the track. On the street I only heel toe when I am getting on the car and it is practical. (traffic is not practical...)
And a big HUGE blip is a beautiful thing...
make that engine roar....
As far as dump shifting (skipping gears..) It's fine to do as long as your blip is strong enough the size of your dump..
just my opinion...
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Oh.. and as far as double clutching...
I never do it.. EVER!!!
Not even in a non syncro car.. If you can blip HUGE no need to double clutch..
Some say it saves the transmission etc. but I've been told otherwise.. Of course it is a good preventative action but it takes time.
and in a car with syncro's it serves no purpose..
Sorry 993RS..don't mean to put you down and I understand the habit part...
But how many of us drive cars w/out syncro's??
and even if they don't have syncro's, A Huge Blip will suffice..
(btw.. Read going faster again!!) Danny Sullivan is quoted as saying that he never double clutch downshifted once in his life. He taught it because it's part of the curriculim but he never picked up the habit..
(also, most schools teach it because green drivers can destroy a transmission if there not matching revs with a huge blip and not double clutching either..)
I never do it.. EVER!!!
Not even in a non syncro car.. If you can blip HUGE no need to double clutch..
Some say it saves the transmission etc. but I've been told otherwise.. Of course it is a good preventative action but it takes time.
and in a car with syncro's it serves no purpose..
Sorry 993RS..don't mean to put you down and I understand the habit part...
But how many of us drive cars w/out syncro's??
and even if they don't have syncro's, A Huge Blip will suffice..
(btw.. Read going faster again!!) Danny Sullivan is quoted as saying that he never double clutch downshifted once in his life. He taught it because it's part of the curriculim but he never picked up the habit..
(also, most schools teach it because green drivers can destroy a transmission if there not matching revs with a huge blip and not double clutching either..)
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I agree: heel and toe is for me ball of foot and little toe/arch of foot rather than heel, much as Robin's pictures would suggest.
Glad I'm not the only one, for a minute I thought I'd got a Club Foot or something.
Could someone post the address of the Wings Engineering Pedal, they might be willing to send one across the pond to me. I assume the standard pedal doesn't need drilling to fit?
Rocket
Glad I'm not the only one, for a minute I thought I'd got a Club Foot or something.
Could someone post the address of the Wings Engineering Pedal, they might be willing to send one across the pond to me. I assume the standard pedal doesn't need drilling to fit?
Rocket
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Jeez guys, you got me
Well, when I'm not ****ting, I'm shiFting every time: 'heel and toe' from 4th to 3rd, then from 3rd to 2nd and finally from 2nd to 1st. Do you do it like that, or only when hitting 1st?
I'm going to wipe my pants now (=edit the post)
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Well, when I'm not ****ting, I'm shiFting every time: 'heel and toe' from 4th to 3rd, then from 3rd to 2nd and finally from 2nd to 1st. Do you do it like that, or only when hitting 1st?
I'm going to wipe my pants now (=edit the post)
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I tried working on "heel - toe" on the street & found it awkward for the same reasons as others (pedal height vs. lighter braking). I tried working on it at the track last weekend & found that I really needed it going into 2nd gear at turn 11 (hard braking, followed by hard left & then straightaway at Laguna Seca). Wondering though if I SHOULD be doing it more elsewhere? More importantly, should I be in the gear I want for exiting PRIOR to turn ENTRY or is it acceptable to complete the shift in the turn and add throttle throught the turn?
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993..
Don't change that habit unless it bothers you.
I've spoken with a few drivers who told me they double clutch there street cars out of habit also.
I can also say this, double clutching usually makes for a smoother shift and it is not a bad habit.. I don't think!!.
It sure can't hurt unless you feel it's slowing you down because your addind an extra step in your shifting..
Hope to pass you soon...
Don't change that habit unless it bothers you.
I've spoken with a few drivers who told me they double clutch there street cars out of habit also.
I can also say this, double clutching usually makes for a smoother shift and it is not a bad habit.. I don't think!!.
It sure can't hurt unless you feel it's slowing you down because your addind an extra step in your shifting..
Hope to pass you soon...
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Originally posted by Flying Finn:
<STRONG>Do you guys 'heel and toe' in every gear if you are downshifting, let's say, from 4th to 1st or do you 'H & T' only when you hit the 1st gear? I tend to shift in every gear but is that unnecessary (& stupid)?</STRONG>
<STRONG>Do you guys 'heel and toe' in every gear if you are downshifting, let's say, from 4th to 1st or do you 'H & T' only when you hit the 1st gear? I tend to shift in every gear but is that unnecessary (& stupid)?</STRONG>
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Tom, that's pretty much what I'm doing when driving slow (although still, I sometimes like to give a little H & T) but when driving faster, I H & T every time, at least it sounds great!
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Originally posted by Robin 993 DX In Atlanta:
<STRONG>It is very difficult to "heel and toe" with the standard 993 pedal setup. But with the "3rd pedal" installed it becomes effortless.
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<STRONG>It is very difficult to "heel and toe" with the standard 993 pedal setup. But with the "3rd pedal" installed it becomes effortless.
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Where did you buy the extension?
Thanks in advance
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BFJohnson wrote:
Wondering though if I SHOULD be doing it more elsewhere? More importantly, should I be in the gear I want for exiting PRIOR to turn ENTRY or is it acceptable to complete the shift in the turn and add throttle throught the turn?
You should be blipping the throttle to match engine revs everytime you downshift. Otherwise, the lower engine rpm will drag the speed of the car down, often dramatically, causing it to rock forward on the suspension and cause understeer or a loss of traction and possible control. If you are not driving 9-10/10ths then this unsettling of the car may not cause a loss of traction or control, but you want to get into good habits for the day you can drive 10/10ths.
You should be shifting into the next gear while in the turn in phase of the corner so you will be ready to accelerate as you approach the apex.
Wondering though if I SHOULD be doing it more elsewhere? More importantly, should I be in the gear I want for exiting PRIOR to turn ENTRY or is it acceptable to complete the shift in the turn and add throttle throught the turn?
You should be blipping the throttle to match engine revs everytime you downshift. Otherwise, the lower engine rpm will drag the speed of the car down, often dramatically, causing it to rock forward on the suspension and cause understeer or a loss of traction and possible control. If you are not driving 9-10/10ths then this unsettling of the car may not cause a loss of traction or control, but you want to get into good habits for the day you can drive 10/10ths.
You should be shifting into the next gear while in the turn in phase of the corner so you will be ready to accelerate as you approach the apex.
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Originally posted by Craig in Texas:
<STRONG>
You should be blipping the throttle to match engine revs everytime you downshift. Otherwise, the lower engine rpm will drag the speed of the car down, often dramatically, causing it to rock forward on the suspension and cause understeer or a loss of traction and possible control. If you are not driving 9-10/10ths then this unsettling of the car may not cause a loss of traction or control, but you want to get into good habits for the day you can drive 10/10ths.
You should be shifting into the next gear while in the turn in phase of the corner so you will be ready to accelerate as you approach the apex.</STRONG>
<STRONG>
You should be blipping the throttle to match engine revs everytime you downshift. Otherwise, the lower engine rpm will drag the speed of the car down, often dramatically, causing it to rock forward on the suspension and cause understeer or a loss of traction and possible control. If you are not driving 9-10/10ths then this unsettling of the car may not cause a loss of traction or control, but you want to get into good habits for the day you can drive 10/10ths.
You should be shifting into the next gear while in the turn in phase of the corner so you will be ready to accelerate as you approach the apex.</STRONG>